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]]> By: lien http://blog.ruhlman.com/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html/comment-page-1#comment-46516 lien Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000 http://ruhlman.com/newblog/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html#comment-46516 Hi Michael, I am glad to hear that Grant Achatz's treatment is going well. I wish him the best. I go to the Santa Monica Farmer's Market and here are some prices: - Corn : .50 - .75/ear - Greens like kale or chard : 1.99 or 3 for 5 - Herb : 1.00 - Potatoes (fingeling, Peruvian blue ...): 2.00/lb - Carrot: 2.00/bunch - Broccoli: 2.00/lb - Cabbage: 1.50 - Strawberries: 2-4.00 a pint - Squash/Zuchini: 1.50/lb - Tomatoes: 2.00/lbs, 3.00/lbs for heirloom I read 'The Soul of a Chef' and i couldn't put it down. I stay up to 1:30am two days in a row! I look forward to having dinner at The French Laundry soon. I am almost done with 'The Making of a Chef', the 'Reach of a Chef' is waiting on the table. I've also gone over 'The French Laundry Cookbook' and 'Bouchon'. Thanks for some very fascinating writings. Best regards, lien Hi Michael,

I am glad to hear that Grant Achatz’s treatment is going well. I wish him the best.

I go to the Santa Monica Farmer’s Market and here are some prices:

- Corn : .50 – .75/ear
- Greens like kale or chard : 1.99 or 3 for 5
- Herb : 1.00
- Potatoes (fingeling, Peruvian blue …): 2.00/lb
- Carrot: 2.00/bunch
- Broccoli: 2.00/lb
- Cabbage: 1.50
- Strawberries: 2-4.00 a pint
- Squash/Zuchini: 1.50/lb
- Tomatoes: 2.00/lbs, 3.00/lbs for heirloom

I read ‘The Soul of a Chef’ and i couldn’t put it down. I stay up to 1:30am two days in a row! I look forward to having dinner at The French Laundry soon. I am almost done with ‘The Making of a Chef’, the ‘Reach of a Chef’ is waiting on the table. I’ve also gone over ‘The French Laundry Cookbook’ and ‘Bouchon’. Thanks for some very fascinating writings.

Best regards,
lien

]]> By: nelle http://blog.ruhlman.com/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html/comment-page-1#comment-46515 nelle Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000 http://ruhlman.com/newblog/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html#comment-46515 played hooky for a little bit this morning and went to the union square greenmarket. $20 got me corn, great greens, peaches and tomatoes, and some new asian greens and herbs to experiment with over the weekend. plus i got a chance to have nice conversations with the growers. best part - was in a great mood when i got to work. my employees definitely thought it was money well spent! :-) Thanks for the update on Grant. My thoughts are with him for a quick - and thorough - recovery. played hooky for a little bit this morning and went to the union square greenmarket. $20 got me corn, great greens, peaches and tomatoes, and some new asian greens and herbs to experiment with over the weekend. plus i got a chance to have nice conversations with the growers. best part – was in a great mood when i got to work. my employees definitely thought it was money well spent! :-)

Thanks for the update on Grant. My thoughts are with him for a quick – and thorough – recovery.

]]> By: Tara http://blog.ruhlman.com/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html/comment-page-1#comment-46514 Tara Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000 http://ruhlman.com/newblog/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html#comment-46514 I live in the Dallas area, and prefer to get my produce from our local farmers markets (there are quite a few). It's consistently higher quality AND less expensive than my local chain grocer. My Saturday haul: 3# red potatoes 1.5# purple hull peas 2 ears of corn 2# green beans 3# peaches .5# banana peppers 1# plums 1# broccoli 3 bunches green onions 3# mixed onions 1pt. blueberries about 2# red grapes (not local) 1 tomato, thrown in for good measure. Total cost: $35.00 There's NO WAY my local store can even come close to that. And they're surly. And they have NO idea what I'm buying (which is the saddest thing ever to me). I actually have to tell them what everything on the conveyor belt IS. I'm trying to buy local whenever possible. I want to know where my food comes from! I live in the Dallas area, and prefer to get my produce from our local farmers markets (there are quite a few). It’s consistently higher quality AND less expensive than my local chain grocer. My Saturday haul:
3# red potatoes
1.5# purple hull peas
2 ears of corn
2# green beans
3# peaches
.5# banana peppers
1# plums
1# broccoli
3 bunches green onions
3# mixed onions
1pt. blueberries
about 2# red grapes (not local)
1 tomato, thrown in for good measure.
Total cost: $35.00
There’s NO WAY my local store can even come close to that. And they’re surly. And they have NO idea what I’m buying (which is the saddest thing ever to me). I actually have to tell them what everything on the conveyor belt IS. I’m trying to buy local whenever possible. I want to know where my food comes from!

]]> By: livetotravel http://blog.ruhlman.com/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html/comment-page-1#comment-46513 livetotravel Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000 http://ruhlman.com/newblog/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html#comment-46513 Thanks for update on Grant - so far so good. Hope Tony B gives props to Cincinnati for Skyline Chili - a very weird thing to comment on in Cleveland where it has no connection whatsoever. Thanks for update on Grant – so far so good.

Hope Tony B gives props to Cincinnati for Skyline Chili – a very weird thing to comment on in Cleveland where it has no connection whatsoever.

]]> By: Nadine http://blog.ruhlman.com/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html/comment-page-1#comment-46512 Nadine Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000 http://ruhlman.com/newblog/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html#comment-46512 About farmer's markets. Just about the only really interesting thing about living in the central valley of California is the availability of fresh produce. The stuff grown here doesn't seem to make it to the markets here. The farmer's markets (which are mostly organic, go figure) have better quality stuff and tend to be less expensive. They also have artisinal (sp) cheeses and such. The ability to buy a crate of just picked peaches you can actually EAT is a glorious thing. About farmer’s markets. Just about the only really interesting thing about living in the central valley of California is the availability of fresh produce. The stuff grown here doesn’t seem to make it to the markets here. The farmer’s markets (which are mostly organic, go figure) have better quality stuff and tend to be less expensive. They also have artisinal (sp) cheeses and such. The ability to buy a crate of just picked peaches you can actually EAT is a glorious thing.

]]> By: Nadine http://blog.ruhlman.com/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html/comment-page-1#comment-46511 Nadine Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000 http://ruhlman.com/newblog/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html#comment-46511 About farmer's markets. Just about the only really interesting thing about living in the central valley of California is the availability of fresh produce. The stuff grown here doesn't seem to make it to the markets here. The farmer's markets (which are mostly organic, go figure) have better quality stuff and tend to be less expensive. They also have artisinal (sp) cheeses and such. The ability to buy a crate of just picked peaches you can actually EAT is a glorious thing. About farmer’s markets. Just about the only really interesting thing about living in the central valley of California is the availability of fresh produce. The stuff grown here doesn’t seem to make it to the markets here. The farmer’s markets (which are mostly organic, go figure) have better quality stuff and tend to be less expensive. They also have artisinal (sp) cheeses and such. The ability to buy a crate of just picked peaches you can actually EAT is a glorious thing.

]]> By: Nic Heckett http://blog.ruhlman.com/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html/comment-page-1#comment-46510 Nic Heckett Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000 http://ruhlman.com/newblog/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html#comment-46510 I do have a beef with Farmer's markets that have much of their produce purchased from a wholesaler rather than grown by the vendor. I think at least 50% of farmer's Markets in the DC suburbs are like this. In Ireland there is a great Wexford tradition of selling "Organic Homegrown Strawberries" off the farm (Wexford is famous for its strawberries), the berries in fact come from the supermarket and are anything but organic. Much cheaper to buy commercial French or Spanish berries, and sure it is only the Dublin people who can afford them anyway, sure what harm etc. Farmer's Market produce should be more expensive than store bought, when you take into consideration the extra work involved. The FM is the recourse for the small farmer priced out of the agro-market by the large producers. They can't sell to the industry, as the commodity price does not cover the costs. They are forced to sell at the FM and that is not even a given. I can't sell Woodlands Pork in Charleston WV because there is a meat store there, (selling commercial pork from KY) and they don't want to upset the pork barrel. Do any of you know any farmers getting rich? The prices at the FM are scrape by, and the prices the industry pay are loss-leaders. I do have a beef with Farmer’s markets that have much of their produce purchased from a wholesaler rather than grown by the vendor. I think at least 50% of farmer’s Markets in the DC suburbs are like this. In Ireland there is a great Wexford tradition of selling “Organic Homegrown Strawberries” off the farm (Wexford is famous for its strawberries), the berries in fact come from the supermarket and are anything but organic. Much cheaper to buy commercial French or Spanish berries, and sure it is only the Dublin people who can afford them anyway, sure what harm etc. Farmer’s Market produce should be more expensive than store bought, when you take into consideration the extra work involved. The FM is the recourse for the small farmer priced out of the agro-market by the large producers. They can’t sell to the industry, as the commodity price does not cover the costs. They are forced to sell at the FM and that is not even a given. I can’t sell Woodlands Pork in Charleston WV because there is a meat store there, (selling commercial pork from KY) and they don’t want to upset the pork barrel. Do any of you know any farmers getting rich? The prices at the FM are scrape by, and the prices the industry pay are loss-leaders.

]]> By: bonnibella http://blog.ruhlman.com/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html/comment-page-1#comment-46509 bonnibella Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000 http://ruhlman.com/newblog/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html#comment-46509 "In reading through the comments on farmer's markets and details about the NR show in cleveland, Im surprised there is no mention of the westside market in cleveland." I wondered the same thing. What's the deal, Ruhlman? “In reading through the comments on farmer’s markets and details about the NR show in cleveland, Im surprised there is no mention of the westside market in cleveland.”

I wondered the same thing. What’s the deal, Ruhlman?

]]> By: MArc http://blog.ruhlman.com/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html/comment-page-1#comment-46508 MArc Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000 http://ruhlman.com/newblog/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html#comment-46508 Great to hear about Grant. Can I still brasg that he cooked for me when I used to eat at his family's place in St Clair MI? As far as shopping at Farmer's Market's, for those of us iin the Upper Midewest, this is the easiest time of the year. The good stuff is everywhere. You can smell everything on the table and may even have a hard time figuring out what to get. Now I just need to find how to get my butcher to carry Niman pork... Great to hear about Grant. Can I still brasg that he cooked for me when I used to eat at his family’s place in St Clair MI?

As far as shopping at Farmer’s Market’s, for those of us iin the Upper Midewest, this is the easiest time of the year. The good stuff is everywhere. You can smell everything on the table and may even have a hard time figuring out what to get.

Now I just need to find how to get my butcher to carry Niman pork…

]]> By: bertabetti http://blog.ruhlman.com/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html/comment-page-1#comment-46507 bertabetti Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000 http://ruhlman.com/newblog/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html#comment-46507 In reading through the comments on farmer's markets and details about the NR show in cleveland, Im surprised there is no mention of the westside market in cleveland. I grew up in cleveland and my parents still live there and shop at the westside market. I've gone a few times (I love markets and its the first thing I visit when traveling abroad) and its great. The fish market is particularly good, although the selection is not huge, but it's fresh and you can get a whole fish-which in cleveland is unusual. Its a very old market indoor, like ones Ive seen in europe and that dont exist much in the US anymore. There's also a great greek place nearby with the best greek/turkish coffee Ive ever had. In reading through the comments on farmer’s markets and details about the NR show in cleveland, Im surprised there is no mention of the westside market in cleveland. I grew up in cleveland and my parents still live there and shop at the westside market. I’ve gone a few times (I love markets and its the first thing I visit when traveling abroad) and its great. The fish market is particularly good, although the selection is not huge, but it’s fresh and you can get a whole fish-which in cleveland is unusual. Its a very old market indoor, like ones Ive seen in europe and that dont exist much in the US anymore.
There’s also a great greek place nearby with the best greek/turkish coffee Ive ever had.

]]> By: Art http://blog.ruhlman.com/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html/comment-page-1#comment-46506 Art Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000 http://ruhlman.com/newblog/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html#comment-46506 Interesting article in the Weekly Standard. I advise recent Hospitality/Culinary Graduates to disavow the old-fashioned notion of slaving away for some bent Euro-Trash Chef for starvation wages when they enter the work-world, myself. Much wiser to take a Management Trainee Job with the largest most profitable Chain Restaurant they can find. That would include McDonalds. Learn about BU$INE$$ and leadership while getting paid and perked well. There are plenty of opportunities to keep enhancing your cooking skills on your own time without having to endure the boozy tantrums and garlic breath of a Euro-Trash slave-driver. Turn 28 and have a strong desire to open a fine-dancing restaurant? Who will get financing? The kid who rose up the ranks to Regional Manager, has hired-trained-fired employees, and understands the restaurant BU$INE$$? Or the dork who's spent 6 years getting screamed at by Chef Pierre LePuke? Interesting article in the Weekly Standard. I advise recent Hospitality/Culinary Graduates to disavow the old-fashioned notion of slaving away for some bent Euro-Trash Chef for starvation wages when they enter the work-world, myself.

Much wiser to take a Management Trainee Job with the largest most profitable Chain Restaurant they can find. That would include McDonalds. Learn about BU$INE$$ and leadership while getting paid and perked well.

There are plenty of opportunities to keep enhancing your cooking skills on your own time without having to endure the boozy tantrums and garlic breath of a Euro-Trash slave-driver.

Turn 28 and have a strong desire to open a fine-dancing restaurant? Who will get financing? The kid who rose up the ranks to Regional Manager, has hired-trained-fired employees, and understands the restaurant BU$INE$$? Or the dork who’s spent 6 years getting screamed at by Chef Pierre LePuke?

]]> By: sam http://blog.ruhlman.com/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html/comment-page-1#comment-46505 sam Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000 http://ruhlman.com/newblog/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html#comment-46505 Hey Michael - thank you for linking to me in your review of this subject (which I find fascinating). All of the reports so far (including mine) haven't been particularly scientific, I presume. I wish someone would do proper research as you suggest. If I had time or money I would do it myself but unfortunately I have a full time non-food-related job so it was the most I could do as a hobbyist. At least people started to think about it differently. One thing I would like to add is that shopping in a farmers' market forces you to commit to a certain amount of home cooking. I have a well stocked pantry with flours, grains and spices, oils and vinegars so I only visit a supermarket, either Wholefoods or Rainbow (a co-op in San Francisco) a few times a year when I need to stock up on those kinds of things. Shopping mostly at the Farmers' Market, neither are you tempted by processed foods, the inclusion of which in the trolley presumably adds to most peoples' bills at a regular supermarket and is not calculated as an added expense to watch out for in these surveys. Tortilla chips, cookies and sodas - that kind of thing - always sold in HUGE bags and bottles and packets. If you do all your shopping at the market you don't even have to worry about spending money on those kinds of things - because you actually can't. Hey Michael – thank you for linking to me in your review of this subject (which I find fascinating). All of the reports so far (including mine) haven’t been particularly scientific, I presume. I wish someone would do proper research as you suggest. If I had time or money I would do it myself but unfortunately I have a full time non-food-related job so it was the most I could do as a hobbyist. At least people started to think about it differently.

One thing I would like to add is that shopping in a farmers’ market forces you to commit to a certain amount of home cooking. I have a well stocked pantry with flours, grains and spices, oils and vinegars so I only visit a supermarket, either Wholefoods or Rainbow (a co-op in San Francisco) a few times a year when I need to stock up on those kinds of things.

Shopping mostly at the Farmers’ Market, neither are you tempted by processed foods, the inclusion of which in the trolley presumably adds to most peoples’ bills at a regular supermarket and is not calculated as an added expense to watch out for in these surveys. Tortilla chips, cookies and sodas – that kind of thing – always sold in HUGE bags and bottles and packets. If you do all your shopping at the market you don’t even have to worry about spending money on those kinds of things – because you actually can’t.

]]> By: ruhlman http://blog.ruhlman.com/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html/comment-page-1#comment-46503 ruhlman Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000 http://ruhlman.com/newblog/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html#comment-46503 just returned from my growers market, north union market at shaker square in cleveland. an excelent market, great growers, and i encourage everyone to shop there. I bought: --$7.50 18 ears corn (six of which I will eat right as soon as i finish this, saturday august ritual breakfast) --5.00 quart fingerlings --3.00 # of rhubarb --2.50 pickling cukes --5.00 garlic (THE best, worth every cent, hard stem and nothing like the grocery store mush). --1.50 cabbage --4.50 peaches Total $31.50. too much? too little? just right? time to shuck the corn. just returned from my growers market, north union market at shaker square in cleveland. an excelent market, great growers, and i encourage everyone to shop there.

I bought:
–$7.50 18 ears corn (six of which I will eat right as soon as i finish this, saturday august ritual breakfast)
–5.00 quart fingerlings
–3.00 # of rhubarb
–2.50 pickling cukes
–5.00 garlic (THE best, worth every cent, hard stem and nothing like the grocery store mush).
–1.50 cabbage
–4.50 peaches

Total $31.50.

too much? too little? just right?

time to shuck the corn.

]]> By: Big Red http://blog.ruhlman.com/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html/comment-page-1#comment-46504 Big Red Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000 http://ruhlman.com/newblog/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html#comment-46504 Some of what you bought was good, some not so good. Great price for cabbage. Bad for Peaches since they are in season. Good price for Cukes, and Rubarb, especially if it locally grown, and I would say way over for the corn. (I can get a dozen for 2.00) On average, it will be cheaper to buy larger quantities at farmers markets as they are better quality, and you usually get a better price. This is not the way anymore. But If you even out what you bought, I would say that it evened out. Now if you bought exclusively peaches and corn, I would say you got robbed. But if you are a firm believer in the "old" way of doing things, as farm grown, down home cooking in the country and all that happy horse shit, no pun intended, then it is worth the money to support the culture. Not too bad Ruhlman. Some of what you bought was good, some not so good. Great price for cabbage. Bad for Peaches since they are in season. Good price for Cukes, and Rubarb, especially if it locally grown, and I would say way over for the corn. (I can get a dozen for 2.00) On average, it will be cheaper to buy larger quantities at farmers markets as they are better quality, and you usually get a better price. This is not the way anymore. But If you even out what you bought, I would say that it evened out. Now if you bought exclusively peaches and corn, I would say you got robbed. But if you are a firm believer in the “old” way of doing things, as farm grown, down home cooking in the country and all that happy horse shit, no pun intended, then it is worth the money to support the culture. Not too bad Ruhlman.

]]> By: Connor http://blog.ruhlman.com/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html/comment-page-1#comment-46501 Connor Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000 http://ruhlman.com/newblog/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html#comment-46501 From strictly a cost standpoint, I find the produce to be comparable at farmers markets and national chain supermarkets in the DC area. Some weeks, maybe the farmers market is more expensive because you hit a club card sale at Safeway on the produce you're buying, but the next week it's the reverse scenario. It's all about knowing where to shop for what. If you want fresh herbs and bok choy, for example, then the Asian markets are probably the most economical. From a quality standpoint, farmers markets are nearly impossible to beat in this area. While the difference between a green bell pepper at Safeway versus the farmers market may be small, it's huge when you're talking sweet corn, tomatoes, peaches, etc. From strictly a cost standpoint, I find the produce to be comparable at farmers markets and national chain supermarkets in the DC area. Some weeks, maybe the farmers market is more expensive because you hit a club card sale at Safeway on the produce you’re buying, but the next week it’s the reverse scenario. It’s all about knowing where to shop for what. If you want fresh herbs and bok choy, for example, then the Asian markets are probably the most economical.

From a quality standpoint, farmers markets are nearly impossible to beat in this area. While the difference between a green bell pepper at Safeway versus the farmers market may be small, it’s huge when you’re talking sweet corn, tomatoes, peaches, etc.

]]> By: FoodPuta http://blog.ruhlman.com/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html/comment-page-1#comment-46502 FoodPuta Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000 http://ruhlman.com/newblog/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html#comment-46502 Just simple economics. With the upswing in the Foodie craze, comes folks that are willing to pay 28% more for the best (or even what they consider to be the best) You all have to blame the FN, Bourdain, Ruhlman, Rick Bayless..... Just don't you ever blame Julia!! Just simple economics. With the upswing in the Foodie craze, comes folks that are willing to pay 28% more for the best (or even what they consider to be the best)

You all have to blame the FN, Bourdain, Ruhlman, Rick Bayless…..

Just don’t you ever blame Julia!!

]]> By: TheFoodist http://blog.ruhlman.com/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html/comment-page-1#comment-46499 TheFoodist Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000 http://ruhlman.com/newblog/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html#comment-46499 Awsome news about Chef Achatz. Half of the fight against cancer is attitude. Good to hear Awsome news about Chef Achatz. Half of the fight against cancer is attitude. Good to hear

]]> By: Hank http://blog.ruhlman.com/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html/comment-page-1#comment-46500 Hank Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000 http://ruhlman.com/newblog/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html#comment-46500 I'm with Clarkehead and MichaelG. I too live in the Sacramento area and visit the Citrus Heights market on an almost weekly basis. The quality and selection are far better than even the chi-chi supermarkets, and the prices are not *that* much different from the mega-mart. Besides, if you won't pay an extra $.50 a pound for asparagud from the Delta vs. asparagus from Mexico or Chile, then a pox on you. There is as much to be said for terroir in veggies as there is in wine. I’m with Clarkehead and MichaelG. I too live in the Sacramento area and visit the Citrus Heights market on an almost weekly basis. The quality and selection are far better than even the chi-chi supermarkets, and the prices are not *that* much different from the mega-mart. Besides, if you won’t pay an extra $.50 a pound for asparagud from the Delta vs. asparagus from Mexico or Chile, then a pox on you. There is as much to be said for terroir in veggies as there is in wine.

]]> By: JoP in NE http://blog.ruhlman.com/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html/comment-page-1#comment-46497 JoP in NE Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000 http://ruhlman.com/newblog/2007/08/mr-soft-palms-a.html#comment-46497 Lots of good wishes to Grant. Nice that you were able to arrange a visit with him, Michael. I'm looking forward to seeing the NR Cleveland episode. Thanks for reminding us about it. jop Lots of good wishes to Grant. Nice that you were able to arrange a visit with him, Michael.

I’m looking forward to seeing the NR Cleveland episode. Thanks for reminding us about it.

jop

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