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		<title>By: playchef</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2007/10/i-was-at-charli.html/comment-page-1#comment-45211</link>
		<dc:creator>playchef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a new blogger here, so forgive me if I&#039;m not up to snuff on stuff...I do however like TNIC and I like Top Chef too.I love micheal colickehole...is that how  you spell his name?. Micheal Ruhlman...well I aint seen nothin bad yet..Andrew Knowlton...he is a kiddie bag...AND Alton Brown...he needs to say something other than &quot;you have survived to cook another day!&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a new blogger here, so forgive me if I&#8217;m not up to snuff on stuff&#8230;I do however like TNIC and I like Top Chef too.I love micheal colickehole&#8230;is that how  you spell his name?. Micheal Ruhlman&#8230;well I aint seen nothin bad yet..Andrew Knowlton&#8230;he is a kiddie bag&#8230;AND Alton Brown&#8230;he needs to say something other than &#8220;you have survived to cook another day!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: search_for_the_holy_gruel</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2007/10/i-was-at-charli.html/comment-page-1#comment-45208</link>
		<dc:creator>search_for_the_holy_gruel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for mentioning David Myers.  Sona is truly a culinary experience and he is a chef that deserves every recognition.  I can&#039;t wait until his new venture, Comme Ca, opens.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for mentioning David Myers.  Sona is truly a culinary experience and he is a chef that deserves every recognition.  I can&#8217;t wait until his new venture, Comme Ca, opens.</p>
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		<title>By: veron</title>
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		<dc:creator>veron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sara! Definitely go to Citronelle and have the tasting menu. The hubby and I did the 10-course one and it was fabulous and as Andrew said totally worth it!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sara! Definitely go to Citronelle and have the tasting menu. The hubby and I did the 10-course one and it was fabulous and as Andrew said totally worth it!</p>
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		<title>By: RitaC</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2007/10/i-was-at-charli.html/comment-page-1#comment-45210</link>
		<dc:creator>RitaC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, so when people find out that I am a restaurant reviewer they always have two comments:
Wow! How did you get that job? I sure would like that job.
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Can I go with you sometime?

That tells me that &quot;everyone wants to be a critic&quot; and that&#039;s what food bloggers do. They get to be a critic whether they know anyting about food, the industry or writing. Plus, it is a power trip (one that I don&#039;t always relish; I am dealing with someone&#039;s livelihood). These people love to be mean and many food bloggers are.
Most of them know nothing about any of the above topics and it&#039;s a damn shame that anyone takes what they say as the &quot;truth&quot;.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so when people find out that I am a restaurant reviewer they always have two comments:<br />
Wow! How did you get that job? I sure would like that job.<br />
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Can I go with you sometime?</p>
<p>That tells me that &#8220;everyone wants to be a critic&#8221; and that&#8217;s what food bloggers do. They get to be a critic whether they know anyting about food, the industry or writing. Plus, it is a power trip (one that I don&#8217;t always relish; I am dealing with someone&#8217;s livelihood). These people love to be mean and many food bloggers are.<br />
Most of them know nothing about any of the above topics and it&#8217;s a damn shame that anyone takes what they say as the &#8220;truth&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Edwards</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2007/10/i-was-at-charli.html/comment-page-1#comment-45207</link>
		<dc:creator>Gina Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This comment thread is very enlightening. I started an online magazine/website a few years ago as a supplement to cooking demonstrations and as a place to showcase recipes, tips and writing. Recently, I&#039;ve also added a blog to this and have been surpsrised at the groans I get about blogs (of all kinds). Seems to be a general distaste for people who use their blog as a personal online journal whereas others (as Ruhlman points out) use it as a way to write and share their views with the public. Living in Peoria, Illinois, there are not a lot of avenues to break into food writing and the internet and blogs at least give those of us who really just want to write a democratic opportunity. We need something to show to potential employers.

As for professional restaurant reviewers, our local daily paper, like many other papers, uses whatever reporter is available to review restaurants. New to reviewing restaurants, they don&#039;t have any more of a food backround than the rest of us. It&#039;s only if they have a knack for it that they stick with it for awhile and learn about food along the way. (I&#039;ve been interviewed by them, believe me.) Plus, their food news/trends usually come from a recent article they&#039;ve read in the current issue of Bon Appetit - not because they&#039;re really in touch with the food industry.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This comment thread is very enlightening. I started an online magazine/website a few years ago as a supplement to cooking demonstrations and as a place to showcase recipes, tips and writing. Recently, I&#8217;ve also added a blog to this and have been surpsrised at the groans I get about blogs (of all kinds). Seems to be a general distaste for people who use their blog as a personal online journal whereas others (as Ruhlman points out) use it as a way to write and share their views with the public. Living in Peoria, Illinois, there are not a lot of avenues to break into food writing and the internet and blogs at least give those of us who really just want to write a democratic opportunity. We need something to show to potential employers.</p>
<p>As for professional restaurant reviewers, our local daily paper, like many other papers, uses whatever reporter is available to review restaurants. New to reviewing restaurants, they don&#8217;t have any more of a food backround than the rest of us. It&#8217;s only if they have a knack for it that they stick with it for awhile and learn about food along the way. (I&#8217;ve been interviewed by them, believe me.) Plus, their food news/trends usually come from a recent article they&#8217;ve read in the current issue of Bon Appetit &#8211; not because they&#8217;re really in touch with the food industry.</p>
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		<title>By: chefjp</title>
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		<dc:creator>chefjp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruhlman---you are being suffocated by the dementia of self-celebration.  Please discontinue this hazardous course at once.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruhlman&#8212;you are being suffocated by the dementia of self-celebration.  Please discontinue this hazardous course at once.</p>
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		<title>By: ruhlman</title>
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		<dc:creator>ruhlman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>derrick did ask something noteworthy--if andrea strong is comped and has a negative experience, what does she do?  I did ask her and she said, she does not write it up, but emails the chef about her experience and then returns later to try the place again.

i love the passion in these comments!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>derrick did ask something noteworthy&#8211;if andrea strong is comped and has a negative experience, what does she do?  I did ask her and she said, she does not write it up, but emails the chef about her experience and then returns later to try the place again.</p>
<p>i love the passion in these comments!</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2007/10/i-was-at-charli.html/comment-page-1#comment-45206</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...so I prefer to let the professional critics, with much more refined palates than mine, critique the dining experience.&quot;

I guess my whole mindspace is, I don&#039;t see why a professional reviewer has any more a refined palate than anyone else. Maybe they can&#039;t taste for shit, maybe they taste way better. But I&#039;d hazard to guess that if you asked their Editor, their taste level is neither here nor there -- they&#039;re simply the person who was the best writer.

Maybe that&#039;s where my point of view differs with a lot of you guys -- I see reviewing as a question of writing, not a question of tasting. The ability to convey what you tasted to readers in a manner both vivid and fair is a skill learned by writing, not by eating. Maybe it would help chefs to reconcile the growing world of food blogging if they started to view people as writers, and writers only (excepting those who cook, blog, and blog about their own cooking only), who are working in their area as opposed to &quot;foodies&quot; or &quot;aspiring chefs.&quot; Maybe they&#039;d be less teritorial. I&#039;m not sure many movie directors care about the hundreds of small movie blogs on the internet; chefs might benefit from adopting the same ambivilance?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;so I prefer to let the professional critics, with much more refined palates than mine, critique the dining experience.&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess my whole mindspace is, I don&#8217;t see why a professional reviewer has any more a refined palate than anyone else. Maybe they can&#8217;t taste for shit, maybe they taste way better. But I&#8217;d hazard to guess that if you asked their Editor, their taste level is neither here nor there &#8212; they&#8217;re simply the person who was the best writer.</p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s where my point of view differs with a lot of you guys &#8212; I see reviewing as a question of writing, not a question of tasting. The ability to convey what you tasted to readers in a manner both vivid and fair is a skill learned by writing, not by eating. Maybe it would help chefs to reconcile the growing world of food blogging if they started to view people as writers, and writers only (excepting those who cook, blog, and blog about their own cooking only), who are working in their area as opposed to &#8220;foodies&#8221; or &#8220;aspiring chefs.&#8221; Maybe they&#8217;d be less teritorial. I&#8217;m not sure many movie directors care about the hundreds of small movie blogs on the internet; chefs might benefit from adopting the same ambivilance?</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2007/10/i-was-at-charli.html/comment-page-1#comment-45200</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who judges a restaurant by the composition of the kitchen and service staff before even trying the food doesn&#039;t deserve to eat out.
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2007/10/i-was-at-charli.html/comment-page-1#comment-45201</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... the good ones tend to rise to the top and the bad ones are best ignored.&quot;

The bad rising to the top on occasion is what we call the &quot;Perez Hilton Anomaly&quot;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; the good ones tend to rise to the top and the bad ones are best ignored.&#8221;</p>
<p>The bad rising to the top on occasion is what we call the &#8220;Perez Hilton Anomaly&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2007/10/i-was-at-charli.html/comment-page-1#comment-45202</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shouldn&#039;t that be the &quot;Paris Hilton Anomaly&quot;? I guess both are accurate...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shouldn&#8217;t that be the &#8220;Paris Hilton Anomaly&#8221;? I guess both are accurate&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Skawt</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2007/10/i-was-at-charli.html/comment-page-1#comment-45203</link>
		<dc:creator>Skawt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own view of food blogging is a bit tainted, having trained as a chef in school.  With that in mind, I know how difficult it is for a restaurant to succeed, so I prefer to let the professional critics, with much more refined palates than mine, critique the dining experience.

I will, however, blog about what I like.  And I will blog about recipes I&#039;ve made.  Sure, there are probably some celebrity chefs that need to be taken down a notch or two because they&#039;re asshats, but I will bitch about their asshattery not their culinary skills.  There&#039;s a reason they got to be celebrities.

Aside from Batali&#039;s disgust at anonymous food bloggers, he is a semi-regular celebrity blogger himself, with regular posts on other forums.  Mario is probably the most passionate chef I&#039;ve ever seen, and has been known to go into the kitchen and cook at parties where he is simply a guest.  It&#039;s my suspicion that the reason he detests food bloggers is that a great many of them simply slam chefs for no good reason, and do it anonymously.  For someone who is so passionate about cooking, it&#039;s a not-so-trivial insult to give such a chef unwarranted criticism, especially from behind a facade of anonymity.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own view of food blogging is a bit tainted, having trained as a chef in school.  With that in mind, I know how difficult it is for a restaurant to succeed, so I prefer to let the professional critics, with much more refined palates than mine, critique the dining experience.</p>
<p>I will, however, blog about what I like.  And I will blog about recipes I&#8217;ve made.  Sure, there are probably some celebrity chefs that need to be taken down a notch or two because they&#8217;re asshats, but I will bitch about their asshattery not their culinary skills.  There&#8217;s a reason they got to be celebrities.</p>
<p>Aside from Batali&#8217;s disgust at anonymous food bloggers, he is a semi-regular celebrity blogger himself, with regular posts on other forums.  Mario is probably the most passionate chef I&#8217;ve ever seen, and has been known to go into the kitchen and cook at parties where he is simply a guest.  It&#8217;s my suspicion that the reason he detests food bloggers is that a great many of them simply slam chefs for no good reason, and do it anonymously.  For someone who is so passionate about cooking, it&#8217;s a not-so-trivial insult to give such a chef unwarranted criticism, especially from behind a facade of anonymity.</p>
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		<title>By: Mgmax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mgmax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and one more thing.  Yes, a blogger/food board poster probably only tries a place once.  But on a food board, they&#039;ll almost certainly NOT be the only one writing about a place.  I&#039;ll stack the visits of ten or twenty different LTHForum users against the two or three visits of Phil Vettel or Dennis Ray Wheaton any time, when it comes to giving a restaurant a fair shake, trying its full menu, and seeing how it performs on different nights over time.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and one more thing.  Yes, a blogger/food board poster probably only tries a place once.  But on a food board, they&#8217;ll almost certainly NOT be the only one writing about a place.  I&#8217;ll stack the visits of ten or twenty different LTHForum users against the two or three visits of Phil Vettel or Dennis Ray Wheaton any time, when it comes to giving a restaurant a fair shake, trying its full menu, and seeing how it performs on different nights over time.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bloggers for me are a double edged sword.  Taking critisicm over a dish being too salty is far more beneficial to me than a complaint that my food could not possibly be good because my sushi chefs weren&#039;t all asian.






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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloggers for me are a double edged sword.  Taking critisicm over a dish being too salty is far more beneficial to me than a complaint that my food could not possibly be good because my sushi chefs weren&#8217;t all asian.</p>
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		<title>By: Mgmax</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2007/10/i-was-at-charli.html/comment-page-1#comment-45197</link>
		<dc:creator>Mgmax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you tease us but you&#039;re not goingto tell us what Trotter said.

I think chefs are mostly complaining about a creature that doesn&#039;t exist.  The annonymous blogger who writes a fictitious slam, has no track record yet somehow has a zillion readers?  That&#039;s a contradiction in terms, like the opening night of an old favorite restaurant.  Yes, the anonymous slammer on a site like Yelp may get the readers-- but nobody looks at Yelp and gives total credence to a single review, especially from someone who never posted before.  If someone has readers on their blog, then by definition they have a track record which means their new review is built on the credibility of many other reviews.  And it seems safe to say they&#039;re not going to piddle away a good rep to grind one axe.

I help moderate LTHForum in Chicago and I can tell you that people are very attuned to the track record of posters.  If someone comes on and registers today and slams a place, then everyone knows to assume a high probability of it being a hit job.  Where if someone with thousands of posts and a record of what their likes, dislikes, level of intelligence and discernment, etc. all are, slams it, people tend to take it seriously because they know that person to have demonstrated their level of quality and credibility.  And that&#039;s nothing like the straw blogger Batali or others rail against.

I too suspect, like folks above, that one of the things chefs don&#039;t like is that they do, in fact, know who many of the &quot;anonymous&quot; reviewers are, and in smaller markets many of the reviewers are probably in the tank for local restaurateurs, serving as community boosters, so bloggers/posters on food boards upset the cozy little world by representing the actual undercover voice of the customer.  If that scares you, you deserve to be scared.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you tease us but you&#8217;re not goingto tell us what Trotter said.</p>
<p>I think chefs are mostly complaining about a creature that doesn&#8217;t exist.  The annonymous blogger who writes a fictitious slam, has no track record yet somehow has a zillion readers?  That&#8217;s a contradiction in terms, like the opening night of an old favorite restaurant.  Yes, the anonymous slammer on a site like Yelp may get the readers&#8211; but nobody looks at Yelp and gives total credence to a single review, especially from someone who never posted before.  If someone has readers on their blog, then by definition they have a track record which means their new review is built on the credibility of many other reviews.  And it seems safe to say they&#8217;re not going to piddle away a good rep to grind one axe.</p>
<p>I help moderate LTHForum in Chicago and I can tell you that people are very attuned to the track record of posters.  If someone comes on and registers today and slams a place, then everyone knows to assume a high probability of it being a hit job.  Where if someone with thousands of posts and a record of what their likes, dislikes, level of intelligence and discernment, etc. all are, slams it, people tend to take it seriously because they know that person to have demonstrated their level of quality and credibility.  And that&#8217;s nothing like the straw blogger Batali or others rail against.</p>
<p>I too suspect, like folks above, that one of the things chefs don&#8217;t like is that they do, in fact, know who many of the &#8220;anonymous&#8221; reviewers are, and in smaller markets many of the reviewers are probably in the tank for local restaurateurs, serving as community boosters, so bloggers/posters on food boards upset the cozy little world by representing the actual undercover voice of the customer.  If that scares you, you deserve to be scared.</p>
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		<title>By: Elayne Riggs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elayne Riggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not being a food blogger (just a general blogger), i can but speculate that many well-known chefs are a bit wary that their perceived pretentiousness or pomposity will be punctured by people who -- well, who don&#039;t like pretense.  I don&#039;t know Trotter but his image on TV has always struck me as rather aloof.  He&#039;s probably a really nice guy in person, although his lack of lips would probably scare me, but on TV he doesn&#039;t exactly exude warmth and friendliness.  At least to me.

Public figures -- and Trotter certainly is one -- are not like us ordinary Joes and Janes.  If you&#039;re a TV chef, you&#039;re fair game for intelligent critique on everything from your style to your opinions about food. (I wouldn&#039;t presume to critique the food itself until TVs come with the ability to actually taste the results.)

Of course, the key word up there is &quot;intelligent.&quot;  As many well-spoken commenters have already noted, there are good bloggers and bad bloggers on just about every subject, and the good ones tend to rise to the top and the bad ones are best ignored.  Why more professionals don&#039;t get this is beyond me, particularly since they themselves can and often do blog as well.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not being a food blogger (just a general blogger), i can but speculate that many well-known chefs are a bit wary that their perceived pretentiousness or pomposity will be punctured by people who &#8212; well, who don&#8217;t like pretense.  I don&#8217;t know Trotter but his image on TV has always struck me as rather aloof.  He&#8217;s probably a really nice guy in person, although his lack of lips would probably scare me, but on TV he doesn&#8217;t exactly exude warmth and friendliness.  At least to me.</p>
<p>Public figures &#8212; and Trotter certainly is one &#8212; are not like us ordinary Joes and Janes.  If you&#8217;re a TV chef, you&#8217;re fair game for intelligent critique on everything from your style to your opinions about food. (I wouldn&#8217;t presume to critique the food itself until TVs come with the ability to actually taste the results.)</p>
<p>Of course, the key word up there is &#8220;intelligent.&#8221;  As many well-spoken commenters have already noted, there are good bloggers and bad bloggers on just about every subject, and the good ones tend to rise to the top and the bad ones are best ignored.  Why more professionals don&#8217;t get this is beyond me, particularly since they themselves can and often do blog as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Claudia</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Ruhlman certainly looked pained when he had to critique a dish, but it didn&#039;t prevent him  from leveling steely blue eyes at his bud, Symon, and crisply zanging him for being derivative, shall we say.  (And Symon didn&#039;t get eliminated for using his pastry chef&#039;s bacon  ice cream recipe - it&#039;s  just that he didn&#039;t win the challenge.  Besh did.) And Ruhlman more than made up for it by standing up for some dishes that Donatella and Knowlton found a little &quot;on the cusp&quot;, as she put it.  Very earnest, is our Mr. Rulhman - earnest when praising a dish, and earnest when grilling a chef about it&#039;s . . . er. . . &quot;provenance&quot;.

Poor SYMON, however, looked like he was about to cry.  I think, though, their friendship and mutual respect for each other will survive TNIC - to cook another day.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Ruhlman certainly looked pained when he had to critique a dish, but it didn&#8217;t prevent him  from leveling steely blue eyes at his bud, Symon, and crisply zanging him for being derivative, shall we say.  (And Symon didn&#8217;t get eliminated for using his pastry chef&#8217;s bacon  ice cream recipe &#8211; it&#8217;s  just that he didn&#8217;t win the challenge.  Besh did.) And Ruhlman more than made up for it by standing up for some dishes that Donatella and Knowlton found a little &#8220;on the cusp&#8221;, as she put it.  Very earnest, is our Mr. Rulhman &#8211; earnest when praising a dish, and earnest when grilling a chef about it&#8217;s . . . er. . . &#8220;provenance&#8221;.</p>
<p>Poor SYMON, however, looked like he was about to cry.  I think, though, their friendship and mutual respect for each other will survive TNIC &#8211; to cook another day.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,
I completely agree about Heidi Swanson. She is a model of what food blogs can be.  101cookbooks.com has been a favorite for years.
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I completely agree about Heidi Swanson. She is a model of what food blogs can be.  101cookbooks.com has been a favorite for years.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob delGrosso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob delGrosso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chefs don&#039;t like bloggers who critique their work? Gee, well then add another group to the list.

I&#039;m not aware of many chefs who feel that anyone besides another chef of commensurate ability has the right to say anything negative about their work. You know it&#039;s true Ruhlman.

BTW, I finally got to see you on TNIC last night. You speak great sound bites and no, you don&#039;t need a haircut (that guy on the other end did. Yikes!) But I&#039;m not so sure that you are emotionally equipped to negatively criticize chefs in public. You looked so uncomfortable when you had to say something bad about a dish and I thought you were going to heave when you had to dismiss Traci des Jardins. You are too human my friend.

And that fellow who was eliminated because he admitted to using an idea from his pastry chef -what kind of BS is that? Did the judges dig into the sources of the dishes of all the other chefs and determine that he was the only one who borrowed?




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chefs don&#8217;t like bloggers who critique their work? Gee, well then add another group to the list.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not aware of many chefs who feel that anyone besides another chef of commensurate ability has the right to say anything negative about their work. You know it&#8217;s true Ruhlman.</p>
<p>BTW, I finally got to see you on TNIC last night. You speak great sound bites and no, you don&#8217;t need a haircut (that guy on the other end did. Yikes!) But I&#8217;m not so sure that you are emotionally equipped to negatively criticize chefs in public. You looked so uncomfortable when you had to say something bad about a dish and I thought you were going to heave when you had to dismiss Traci des Jardins. You are too human my friend.</p>
<p>And that fellow who was eliminated because he admitted to using an idea from his pastry chef -what kind of BS is that? Did the judges dig into the sources of the dishes of all the other chefs and determine that he was the only one who borrowed?</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does background or experience have anything to do with the validity of blogging about food? We all have mouths, right? And tongues? And palates? Someone who has spent 20 years researching food, working with food, even cooking food could still have the same reaction as someone eating their first haute cuisine meal if they put something un-tasty into their mouths.

Think of it this way -- film critics often have no credentials when they start. It&#039;s not typical to find someone who went to film school for four years exclaiming to his friends in Starbucks &quot;I&#039;m totally going to be a film reviewer!&quot; on the eve of their graduation. No, that person is going to go to Hollywood, try to write or act or direct, and maybe end up reviewing films on the side. More often (and I speak with some authority on this, as an editor of a college newspaper for 2 1/2 years), your film reviewers start as college kids who want to see movies for free, and before they come out. So they take the passes, they write two months worth of totally shitty reviews, and then they get better, and their criticsm gets more technical, and they become more familiar with film as a medium because of all the free screenings they go to.

Food writing works the same way. I minored in Journalism in college (my major, and my main academic path, is classical cultural studies), and was told over and over again that all I had to do to be a journalist -- any kind of journalist -- was to be a good writer. So when we read Jeffrey Steingarten&#039;s book for a Feature Writing class, I realized that I could blend my love of eating with my love of writing. Now, a year and a half out of college, I&#039;m finally working on a blog that will let me get regular practice at writing and editing food journalism without the problems of desperately searching for a job and finding an internship that won&#039;t pay, or worse finding nothing at all.

In the meantime, I&#039;m slowly expanding my palate. So while I might be generally uninformed about technique and history (though I try to do some research if I think it is warranted), I don&#039;t think my tongue is any different than the New York Times food critic. I think my opinions are just as valid, and my mind is almost as open to strange, new things. But because I blog, because it&#039;s on the internet and I don&#039;t have 20 (or even 5) years experience, I&#039;m somehow a problem, an insulter, an interloper? That doesn&#039;t seem fair at all. Blogs are a wonderful way for aspiring writers to practice their craft and get feedback on their work before diving into a very difficult profession. If I couldn&#039;t blog on my downtime as a receptionist, I don&#039;t know what I&#039;d do.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does background or experience have anything to do with the validity of blogging about food? We all have mouths, right? And tongues? And palates? Someone who has spent 20 years researching food, working with food, even cooking food could still have the same reaction as someone eating their first haute cuisine meal if they put something un-tasty into their mouths.</p>
<p>Think of it this way &#8212; film critics often have no credentials when they start. It&#8217;s not typical to find someone who went to film school for four years exclaiming to his friends in Starbucks &#8220;I&#8217;m totally going to be a film reviewer!&#8221; on the eve of their graduation. No, that person is going to go to Hollywood, try to write or act or direct, and maybe end up reviewing films on the side. More often (and I speak with some authority on this, as an editor of a college newspaper for 2 1/2 years), your film reviewers start as college kids who want to see movies for free, and before they come out. So they take the passes, they write two months worth of totally shitty reviews, and then they get better, and their criticsm gets more technical, and they become more familiar with film as a medium because of all the free screenings they go to.</p>
<p>Food writing works the same way. I minored in Journalism in college (my major, and my main academic path, is classical cultural studies), and was told over and over again that all I had to do to be a journalist &#8212; any kind of journalist &#8212; was to be a good writer. So when we read Jeffrey Steingarten&#8217;s book for a Feature Writing class, I realized that I could blend my love of eating with my love of writing. Now, a year and a half out of college, I&#8217;m finally working on a blog that will let me get regular practice at writing and editing food journalism without the problems of desperately searching for a job and finding an internship that won&#8217;t pay, or worse finding nothing at all.</p>
<p>In the meantime, I&#8217;m slowly expanding my palate. So while I might be generally uninformed about technique and history (though I try to do some research if I think it is warranted), I don&#8217;t think my tongue is any different than the New York Times food critic. I think my opinions are just as valid, and my mind is almost as open to strange, new things. But because I blog, because it&#8217;s on the internet and I don&#8217;t have 20 (or even 5) years experience, I&#8217;m somehow a problem, an insulter, an interloper? That doesn&#8217;t seem fair at all. Blogs are a wonderful way for aspiring writers to practice their craft and get feedback on their work before diving into a very difficult profession. If I couldn&#8217;t blog on my downtime as a receptionist, I don&#8217;t know what I&#8217;d do.</p>
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