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		<title>By: Allen</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2008/01/raw-milk.html/comment-page-1#comment-41428</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For ALL you Raw Milk drinkers &amp; searchers this site has a wealth of informaiton on what, how, where etc you may obtain Raw Milk etc
http://www.realmilk.com &amp;
http://www.organicpastures.com can get you real raw milk , cheeses , butters etc shipped to you from California-it will be labled as pet food, but you get it real, fresh or frozen &amp; the best raw milk out there.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For ALL you Raw Milk drinkers &#038; searchers this site has a wealth of informaiton on what, how, where etc you may obtain Raw Milk etc<br />
<a href="http://www.realmilk.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.realmilk.com</a> &#038;<br />
<a href="http://www.organicpastures.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.organicpastures.com</a> can get you real raw milk , cheeses , butters etc shipped to you from California-it will be labled as pet food, but you get it real, fresh or frozen &#038; the best raw milk out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2008/01/raw-milk.html/comment-page-1#comment-41429</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Honey &amp; or Oilive Oil check this site out
http://www.livingtreecommunity.com as they have the very best Snugglespoon forest honey from Australia &amp; what I consider the best Olive Oil-Unfiltered, unpressed &amp; unheated. I drink 2 shot glasses of that stuff every day + 2 shots of Gold Labeled Organic Coconut Oil from http://www.tropicaltraditions.com + I drink 1/2 gallon raw milk every day for optimum health.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Honey &#038; or Oilive Oil check this site out<br />
<a href="http://www.livingtreecommunity.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.livingtreecommunity.com</a> as they have the very best Snugglespoon forest honey from Australia &#038; what I consider the best Olive Oil-Unfiltered, unpressed &#038; unheated. I drink 2 shot glasses of that stuff every day + 2 shots of Gold Labeled Organic Coconut Oil from <a href="http://www.tropicaltraditions.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tropicaltraditions.com</a> + I drink 1/2 gallon raw milk every day for optimum health.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2008/01/raw-milk.html/comment-page-1#comment-41426</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about honey?
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2008/01/raw-milk.html/comment-page-1#comment-41427</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about honey?
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2008/01/raw-milk.html/comment-page-1#comment-41422</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel your pain. Try living in a state that prohibits the sale of any raw dairy products other than longer aged cheese. I had to join a buying club that to get bi monthly shipments smuggled in. If you try calling some of the the cow shares in Ohio, they might be able to turn you on to a local one. Good luck.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel your pain. Try living in a state that prohibits the sale of any raw dairy products other than longer aged cheese. I had to join a buying club that to get bi monthly shipments smuggled in. If you try calling some of the the cow shares in Ohio, they might be able to turn you on to a local one. Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelsey</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2008/01/raw-milk.html/comment-page-1#comment-41423</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DM,

I just moved to Columbus from the Cincinnati/Loveland area and I used to belong to a cow share program down there, but have been unable to locate one in the Columbus area. If you find anything, would you please post that info or contact me directly? I can give you my email address if that&#039;s best. I looked on RealMilk.com and didn&#039;t see any truly viable options. The Clintonville Community Market has milk from Hartzler Dairy which is pasturized yet not homoginized and comes in glass bottles. It may be the best option until a cow share is found. Not perfect, but I hope this is at least somewhat helpful.

-Kelsey
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DM,</p>
<p>I just moved to Columbus from the Cincinnati/Loveland area and I used to belong to a cow share program down there, but have been unable to locate one in the Columbus area. If you find anything, would you please post that info or contact me directly? I can give you my email address if that&#8217;s best. I looked on RealMilk.com and didn&#8217;t see any truly viable options. The Clintonville Community Market has milk from Hartzler Dairy which is pasturized yet not homoginized and comes in glass bottles. It may be the best option until a cow share is found. Not perfect, but I hope this is at least somewhat helpful.</p>
<p>-Kelsey</p>
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		<title>By: Vivian</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2008/01/raw-milk.html/comment-page-1#comment-41424</link>
		<dc:creator>Vivian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DM and Kelsey,

I, too, am new to the Columbus area and have been looking for a cow share program.  (I&#039;m up from Georgia where raw milk is still available, but must be sold with labels that indicate that it&#039;s &quot;for pets.&quot;  The legislature is now trying to pass a bill that will force producers to dye the milk gray in an effort to deter human consumption.)  If either of you find anything new, would you please pass the message along?  Thanks!

Vivian
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DM and Kelsey,</p>
<p>I, too, am new to the Columbus area and have been looking for a cow share program.  (I&#8217;m up from Georgia where raw milk is still available, but must be sold with labels that indicate that it&#8217;s &#8220;for pets.&#8221;  The legislature is now trying to pass a bill that will force producers to dye the milk gray in an effort to deter human consumption.)  If either of you find anything new, would you please pass the message along?  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Linnea</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2008/01/raw-milk.html/comment-page-1#comment-41425</link>
		<dc:creator>Linnea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How the health of milk was pasteurized out.
(Pasteurization made it possible to feed milk cows &quot;swill&quot; or &quot;slop&quot; instead of raising them on a pasture)

THE FORGOTTEN HISTORY OF MODERN MILK

&quot;In the whole range of organic matter, milk is the only substance purposely designed and prepared by nature as food.&quot;

For thousands of years milk and its products have nourished mankind allowing for generations of strong, healthy humans. All of this on raw milk. Mankind would have died out or at least have turned away from milk long ago if it had been unhealthy.

Why has raw versus pasteurized milk been such an issue only in the last hundred years? Here is the story as related in Ron Schmid&#039;s book &quot;The Untold Story of Milk&quot; (New Trends Publishing, 2003)

http://mysite.verizon.net/jsschleh/gardenhomefarm/id13.html
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(Pasteurization made it possible to feed milk cows &#8220;swill&#8221; or &#8220;slop&#8221; instead of raising them on a pasture)</p>
<p>THE FORGOTTEN HISTORY OF MODERN MILK</p>
<p>&#8220;In the whole range of organic matter, milk is the only substance purposely designed and prepared by nature as food.&#8221;</p>
<p>For thousands of years milk and its products have nourished mankind allowing for generations of strong, healthy humans. All of this on raw milk. Mankind would have died out or at least have turned away from milk long ago if it had been unhealthy.</p>
<p>Why has raw versus pasteurized milk been such an issue only in the last hundred years? Here is the story as related in Ron Schmid&#8217;s book &#8220;The Untold Story of Milk&#8221; (New Trends Publishing, 2003)</p>
<p><a href="http://mysite.verizon.net/jsschleh/gardenhomefarm/id13.html" rel="nofollow">http://mysite.verizon.net/jsschleh/gardenhomefarm/id13.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2008/01/raw-milk.html/comment-page-1#comment-41420</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DM,

Try looking here. http://www.realmilk.com/where1.html
It has one location for Columbus Ohio, but not for raw. Not sure how close the rest of the options are.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DM,</p>
<p>Try looking here. <a href="http://www.realmilk.com/where1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.realmilk.com/where1.html</a><br />
It has one location for Columbus Ohio, but not for raw. Not sure how close the rest of the options are.</p>
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		<title>By: DM</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2008/01/raw-milk.html/comment-page-1#comment-41421</link>
		<dc:creator>DM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rich,

Yup, I&#039;m even a member. Their milk is good, but unfortunately due to stupid state laws they can&#039;t carry raw milk which is so vastly superior to pasteurized for making cheese.

-DM
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rich,</p>
<p>Yup, I&#8217;m even a member. Their milk is good, but unfortunately due to stupid state laws they can&#8217;t carry raw milk which is so vastly superior to pasteurized for making cheese.</p>
<p>-DM</p>
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		<title>By: Tags</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2008/01/raw-milk.html/comment-page-1#comment-41418</link>
		<dc:creator>Tags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can blame the FDA for regulating in the interest of the agribusinesses (and their lobbyists) to the exclusion of those who don&#039;t conform.

And forget that straw steer about using farm oxen to feed people. If the agribusiness bean-counters found a way to squeeze more money out of oxen than what they&#039;re doing now, it would be USDA policy before your next meal.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can blame the FDA for regulating in the interest of the agribusinesses (and their lobbyists) to the exclusion of those who don&#8217;t conform.</p>
<p>And forget that straw steer about using farm oxen to feed people. If the agribusiness bean-counters found a way to squeeze more money out of oxen than what they&#8217;re doing now, it would be USDA policy before your next meal.</p>
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		<title>By: DM</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2008/01/raw-milk.html/comment-page-1#comment-41419</link>
		<dc:creator>DM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

Google has failed me completely. Do you know of any raw milk/cow shares programs here in Ohio that are anywhere close to Columbus?

thanks

-DM
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>Google has failed me completely. Do you know of any raw milk/cow shares programs here in Ohio that are anywhere close to Columbus?</p>
<p>thanks</p>
<p>-DM</p>
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		<title>By: Bob delGrosso</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2008/01/raw-milk.html/comment-page-1#comment-41417</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob delGrosso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assembly Agriculture Committee Passes
AB 1604 with a unanimous vote

Thanks to last minute &quot;hallway negotiations,&quot; Assembly Bill AB 1604 passed with unanimous consent during Ag Assembly hearings held on Wednesday. This will ensure, for now, the continued flow of raw milk in California.


http://organicpastures.com/ab1604_letter7.html




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AB 1604 with a unanimous vote</p>
<p>Thanks to last minute &#8220;hallway negotiations,&#8221; Assembly Bill AB 1604 passed with unanimous consent during Ag Assembly hearings held on Wednesday. This will ensure, for now, the continued flow of raw milk in California.</p>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2008/01/raw-milk.html/comment-page-1#comment-41416</link>
		<dc:creator>luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich, mine too... there is the butter and milk I once tasted when I was three....and there is everything else I have had to live with since.
Ps.. you won&#039;t see me doing margerine or any other God forsaken wanna be butter thang....out there. Great, we both agree. I like it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich, mine too&#8230; there is the butter and milk I once tasted when I was three&#8230;.and there is everything else I have had to live with since.<br />
Ps.. you won&#8217;t see me doing margerine or any other God forsaken wanna be butter thang&#8230;.out there. Great, we both agree. I like it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luis,
I totally agree. MASS production is the problem itself. The large scale industrial model is the reason we began to use the antibiotics, synthetic feeds, and pasteurization. Those products would be unsafe without them. The point is that the milk I get is not the same milk I can buy at the supermarket. They are discreetly different things in my mind. I&#039;m not saying it is safe to drink unpasteurized milk. I&#039;m saying the milk I buy does not need it to be safe. If you  reread Bob delGrosso&#039;s earlier comments he said there was milk from other farms he would be hesitant to drink. It is about the means of production. There is a sensible system in place for the issues and realities of the large scale industrial production. There is no system on place that addresses the issues and realities of this type of small scale production. As Ruhlman pointed out the issues are the same for slaughtering animals, and curing meat.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luis,<br />
I totally agree. MASS production is the problem itself. The large scale industrial model is the reason we began to use the antibiotics, synthetic feeds, and pasteurization. Those products would be unsafe without them. The point is that the milk I get is not the same milk I can buy at the supermarket. They are discreetly different things in my mind. I&#8217;m not saying it is safe to drink unpasteurized milk. I&#8217;m saying the milk I buy does not need it to be safe. If you  reread Bob delGrosso&#8217;s earlier comments he said there was milk from other farms he would be hesitant to drink. It is about the means of production. There is a sensible system in place for the issues and realities of the large scale industrial production. There is no system on place that addresses the issues and realities of this type of small scale production. As Ruhlman pointed out the issues are the same for slaughtering animals, and curing meat.</p>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich, I believe you and even agree with you that it is possible to manufacture this product and distribute it in a LIMITED BASIS.
But even you if I read you correctly do not believe this product can go mainstream at this time as you don&#039;t believe it is feasable to control mass production of un-pasteurized products safely.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich, I believe you and even agree with you that it is possible to manufacture this product and distribute it in a LIMITED BASIS.<br />
But even you if I read you correctly do not believe this product can go mainstream at this time as you don&#8217;t believe it is feasable to control mass production of un-pasteurized products safely.</p>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
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		<dc:creator>luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember when I was three going on vacation to a country farm ranch place frequented by vacationers.
I have never forgoten the fresh taste of butter made on the farm and milk minimally processed right off the cows. Such amazing tastes that to this day I have never tasted anything that compares.
The farm was a fairly well established and controlled place, but even then... How do you absolutelly control the quality? Perhaps this could be done through batching, dating and testing each day&#039;s production prior to packaging and shipping. I suspect the &quot;eat by date&quot; would take a whole new meaning as well... Interesting thoughts.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember when I was three going on vacation to a country farm ranch place frequented by vacationers.<br />
I have never forgoten the fresh taste of butter made on the farm and milk minimally processed right off the cows. Such amazing tastes that to this day I have never tasted anything that compares.<br />
The farm was a fairly well established and controlled place, but even then&#8230; How do you absolutelly control the quality? Perhaps this could be done through batching, dating and testing each day&#8217;s production prior to packaging and shipping. I suspect the &#8220;eat by date&#8221; would take a whole new meaning as well&#8230; Interesting thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How do you absolutelly control the quality? Perhaps this could be done through batching, dating and testing each day&#039;s production prior to packaging and shipping. I suspect the &quot;eat by date&quot; would take a whole new meaning as well... Interesting thoughts.&quot;

You cannot absolutely control quality. We have been conditioned to expect lamb in the spring and tomatoes all winter. Nobody tests batches of anything now. All they do is inspect procedures. The current system is designed to regulate the industrial scale production that the consuming public is ill suited to self regulate. We are just too far away from the source of production. The sort of small scale production we are talking about is easily consumer regulated because we can literally see it. The current regulations are simply incompatible with the way these small boutique  farms operate.
It is not the processing that is the issue. The means of production result in a product that requires little or no processing to maintain safely. That being said the farms I purchase from conduct their own testing. Testing that government regulations do not require.


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<p>You cannot absolutely control quality. We have been conditioned to expect lamb in the spring and tomatoes all winter. Nobody tests batches of anything now. All they do is inspect procedures. The current system is designed to regulate the industrial scale production that the consuming public is ill suited to self regulate. We are just too far away from the source of production. The sort of small scale production we are talking about is easily consumer regulated because we can literally see it. The current regulations are simply incompatible with the way these small boutique  farms operate.<br />
It is not the processing that is the issue. The means of production result in a product that requires little or no processing to maintain safely. That being said the farms I purchase from conduct their own testing. Testing that government regulations do not require.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms.Anthrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms.Anthrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Darcie...That makes sense. Or rather, that explains it anyway. Looks like I have some reading to do on this issue.
The Simpsons will just have to sit in the DVR for another couple of days.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Darcie&#8230;That makes sense. Or rather, that explains it anyway. Looks like I have some reading to do on this issue.<br />
The Simpsons will just have to sit in the DVR for another couple of days.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tags,

If you choose to look at it like that, ok with me. But, I don&#039;t think you can blame the FDA for the industrial farms we now have. That&#039;s just progress, we can&#039;t farm using oxen and expect to feed everyone.
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<p>If you choose to look at it like that, ok with me. But, I don&#8217;t think you can blame the FDA for the industrial farms we now have. That&#8217;s just progress, we can&#8217;t farm using oxen and expect to feed everyone.</p>
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