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		<title>By: David Owen</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/05/chef-voices.html/comment-page-1#comment-38832</link>
		<dc:creator>David Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How wonderful to see Pierre Franey&#039;s name on a screen.
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		<title>By: Kate in the NW</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/05/chef-voices.html/comment-page-1#comment-38831</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate in the NW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know it&#039;s been a while since this topic came online, but just in case anybody&#039;s still reading it, there was an interesting piece in the Seattle P-I this morning that speaks to some of the issues mentioned above. Maybe I was dead wrong in my comments - maybe the future of farming in this country is in the hands of second (or third or fourth) career yuppies. Or maybe we&#039;ll end up with a two-tier food system like everything else in ths country - one set of standars for the wealthy and one for the rest of us. Not that I&#039;m bitter! ;-P
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/363729_youngfarmers20.html
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it&#8217;s been a while since this topic came online, but just in case anybody&#8217;s still reading it, there was an interesting piece in the Seattle P-I this morning that speaks to some of the issues mentioned above. Maybe I was dead wrong in my comments &#8211; maybe the future of farming in this country is in the hands of second (or third or fourth) career yuppies. Or maybe we&#8217;ll end up with a two-tier food system like everything else in ths country &#8211; one set of standars for the wealthy and one for the rest of us. Not that I&#8217;m bitter! ;-P<br />
<a href="http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/363729_youngfarmers20.html" rel="nofollow">http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/363729_youngfarmers20.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kay</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/05/chef-voices.html/comment-page-1#comment-38830</link>
		<dc:creator>Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The notion that farming is something only farmers can do is a crock. What if state and local governments gave property owners tax breaks based on the amount of said property they used for growing food? It certainly wouldn&#039;t obviate the need for supermarkets entirely (hard to imagine a successful rice paddy cropping up in Fresno), but if even a handful of people in a given suburban neighborhood replaced their swimming pools, lawns and koi ponds with fruit trees and small gardens, they could

1. Put all that water they already waste on vanity to good use

2. Reduce the number of times they need to drive to the store

3. Reduce the number of trucks on the highway bringing those same products to the store

4. Keep their staple costs sane

5. De-mystify farming for the average idiot who thinks it&#039;s too difficult and keep the knowledge of food production methods circulating (and improving)

6. De-centralize everything so that an unseasonal freeze/rain/pest outbreak/commercial bee colony collapse doesn&#039;t necessarily translate into lower availability and higher prices for everyone

7. Let evolution continue to give us the diversification we need rather than the homogenized clone orchards with multiple single points of failure we tend to produce

Don&#039;t have time to tend your garden? Well then you probably didn&#039;t have time to tend your pool, either. Hire somebody. Or better yet, give your kids something more productive to do than txt msgng lol and Warcraft. Your darling Logan and Dakota are probably not going to amount to much on their own regardless of which Montessori House of Learning you send them to, so they might as well do something useful.

I don&#039;t want every meal to taste like it was cooked by Thomas Keller nor do I want to live on a smelly hippie kibbutz, but I would like to see small time street vendors replace a few Taco Bells wherever possible. Who cares if a small bag of Doritos costs $5 if you can get a sizeable portion of your produce from your own (or your neighbor&#039;s) back yard? Junk food should be a luxury item anyway.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The notion that farming is something only farmers can do is a crock. What if state and local governments gave property owners tax breaks based on the amount of said property they used for growing food? It certainly wouldn&#8217;t obviate the need for supermarkets entirely (hard to imagine a successful rice paddy cropping up in Fresno), but if even a handful of people in a given suburban neighborhood replaced their swimming pools, lawns and koi ponds with fruit trees and small gardens, they could</p>
<p>1. Put all that water they already waste on vanity to good use</p>
<p>2. Reduce the number of times they need to drive to the store</p>
<p>3. Reduce the number of trucks on the highway bringing those same products to the store</p>
<p>4. Keep their staple costs sane</p>
<p>5. De-mystify farming for the average idiot who thinks it&#8217;s too difficult and keep the knowledge of food production methods circulating (and improving)</p>
<p>6. De-centralize everything so that an unseasonal freeze/rain/pest outbreak/commercial bee colony collapse doesn&#8217;t necessarily translate into lower availability and higher prices for everyone</p>
<p>7. Let evolution continue to give us the diversification we need rather than the homogenized clone orchards with multiple single points of failure we tend to produce</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t have time to tend your garden? Well then you probably didn&#8217;t have time to tend your pool, either. Hire somebody. Or better yet, give your kids something more productive to do than txt msgng lol and Warcraft. Your darling Logan and Dakota are probably not going to amount to much on their own regardless of which Montessori House of Learning you send them to, so they might as well do something useful.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want every meal to taste like it was cooked by Thomas Keller nor do I want to live on a smelly hippie kibbutz, but I would like to see small time street vendors replace a few Taco Bells wherever possible. Who cares if a small bag of Doritos costs $5 if you can get a sizeable portion of your produce from your own (or your neighbor&#8217;s) back yard? Junk food should be a luxury item anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/05/chef-voices.html/comment-page-1#comment-38827</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay this just in and I hope some are keeping up with this thread...

Bob Weir just did a peice on ABC World News that features fast food stats, slow foods, etc. and had Dan Barber with him at a local market giving info as well as stats. The cool thing is that you can go to the link to follow and ask him a question. I hope that some of you who were quite nearly verging on speaking for him and those who had questions about his financial info (farm based - industrial agro) email him the questions that you have. I know I already did.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4865200&amp;page=1
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay this just in and I hope some are keeping up with this thread&#8230;</p>
<p>Bob Weir just did a peice on ABC World News that features fast food stats, slow foods, etc. and had Dan Barber with him at a local market giving info as well as stats. The cool thing is that you can go to the link to follow and ask him a question. I hope that some of you who were quite nearly verging on speaking for him and those who had questions about his financial info (farm based &#8211; industrial agro) email him the questions that you have. I know I already did.</p>
<p><a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4865200&#038;page=1" rel="nofollow">http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4865200&#038;page=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By &quot;him&quot; I mean Dan Barber - he will be the one answering questions.
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		<title>By: Luke Hayes-Alexander</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/05/chef-voices.html/comment-page-1#comment-38829</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke Hayes-Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a 17 year-old Executive Chef in Kingston, Ontario, Canada. I took this position on my 15th birthday. My specialty is Charcuterie. Before I was 13 I had taught myself butchery of local, pastured animals, and was making a wide array of charcuterie.
We&#039;ve always supported our local farmers, happily bringing them into our family circle. It just seemed right --our menus are now 90% local.
We are seeing the same thing in Canada -- people are curious about &quot;real&#039; foods, they want to know from where they have originated.
Ours is the only restaurant in Canada to be 90%, and to make everything from scratch. The press and attention has been rather humbling; I&#039;ve simply always wanted to pay pay respect; to the animals,our farmers,the beautiful local, seasonal produce, and to ourselves and our clients.
Canada does not produce &quot;star chefs&quot;, but they are starting to pay attention to the passions shared by a few of us.
It is a battle worth fighting...becoming, and staying, sustainable, is not just a passing trend, it is our collective responsibility.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a 17 year-old Executive Chef in Kingston, Ontario, Canada. I took this position on my 15th birthday. My specialty is Charcuterie. Before I was 13 I had taught myself butchery of local, pastured animals, and was making a wide array of charcuterie.<br />
We&#8217;ve always supported our local farmers, happily bringing them into our family circle. It just seemed right &#8211;our menus are now 90% local.<br />
We are seeing the same thing in Canada &#8212; people are curious about &#8220;real&#8217; foods, they want to know from where they have originated.<br />
Ours is the only restaurant in Canada to be 90%, and to make everything from scratch. The press and attention has been rather humbling; I&#8217;ve simply always wanted to pay pay respect; to the animals,our farmers,the beautiful local, seasonal produce, and to ourselves and our clients.<br />
Canada does not produce &#8220;star chefs&#8221;, but they are starting to pay attention to the passions shared by a few of us.<br />
It is a battle worth fighting&#8230;becoming, and staying, sustainable, is not just a passing trend, it is our collective responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: milo</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/05/chef-voices.html/comment-page-1#comment-38825</link>
		<dc:creator>milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luis, I saw that video, and it sure looked cruel to me.  If anything it made me less inclined to eat the stuff, having seen how it is made.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luis, I saw that video, and it sure looked cruel to me.  If anything it made me less inclined to eat the stuff, having seen how it is made.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not have the time at the moment to read all of the comments on this posting, so I apologize if my arguments have already been covered. One commentator argued for the necessity of industrialized agriculture to feed the world. The immense dependency on imported food in many African nations, forexample, is not because farmers went to better jobs in cities or the mechanization of agriculture, like in the Western world, but because subsidized agriculture shipped there by Europe and the US created a situtation where local farmers could not compete. Industrialized agriculture does not make food cheap, the political economy of food does. Many African nations, despite the visual stereotypes, is able to grow enough food to cover their needs and export surplus, but they cannot compete with artificially depressed, subsidized prices. Hunger in Africa in the 1970s and onward has more to do with Iowa and Washington D.C. than the ability of African to feed themselves. In order to move toward rational, safe and tasty food, agriculture must develop at the local level. The Anglo-American economic mythologies that argue against small-property farming and the peasant life (yes, the peasant life, the paysan is respectable, elitism isn&#039;t) must be permanently dispelled.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not have the time at the moment to read all of the comments on this posting, so I apologize if my arguments have already been covered. One commentator argued for the necessity of industrialized agriculture to feed the world. The immense dependency on imported food in many African nations, forexample, is not because farmers went to better jobs in cities or the mechanization of agriculture, like in the Western world, but because subsidized agriculture shipped there by Europe and the US created a situtation where local farmers could not compete. Industrialized agriculture does not make food cheap, the political economy of food does. Many African nations, despite the visual stereotypes, is able to grow enough food to cover their needs and export surplus, but they cannot compete with artificially depressed, subsidized prices. Hunger in Africa in the 1970s and onward has more to do with Iowa and Washington D.C. than the ability of African to feed themselves. In order to move toward rational, safe and tasty food, agriculture must develop at the local level. The Anglo-American economic mythologies that argue against small-property farming and the peasant life (yes, the peasant life, the paysan is respectable, elitism isn&#8217;t) must be permanently dispelled.</p>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
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		<dc:creator>luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for Chich.. Bourdain has a u tube foie gra segment in a foie gra farm that clearly shows you can make foie gra without torturing your animals. End of story.
Foie Gras as with everything you can acquire a taste for it. Or your family or culture can impose it upon you.
Your palate is a clean slate. You can detox it and you can change it. You are in control. It&#039;s up to you were you choose to take your palate. I am not sure foie gras is a good ingredient to labor to incorporate into one&#039;s diet.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for Chich.. Bourdain has a u tube foie gra segment in a foie gra farm that clearly shows you can make foie gra without torturing your animals. End of story.<br />
Foie Gras as with everything you can acquire a taste for it. Or your family or culture can impose it upon you.<br />
Your palate is a clean slate. You can detox it and you can change it. You are in control. It&#8217;s up to you were you choose to take your palate. I am not sure foie gras is a good ingredient to labor to incorporate into one&#8217;s diet.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, here is a few thoughts. I don&#039;t know him personally, but I think Dan Barber has been around the block:

http://www.starchefs.com/chefs/DBarber/html/bio.shtml

If you didn&#039;t catch his piece on Anthony Bourdain&#039;s No Reservations Holiday spacial you can watch it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKSRwueI6wg

If his Times article was taken as a stomp on commercial agriculture, well...who the hell wouldn&#039;t do what he does with the chance? Broad generalizations of agriculture and food in general have become more and more prevalent in blogs and articles over the past few years. I&#039;ll agree that some of Mr. Barber&#039;s veiws are skewed (esp. since Parsons and Del Grosso weighed in with factual info) but his is a vision determined. As a chef that has bought the mass produce and protein for years - when you actually research how it is processed it starts to weigh on you. Even if he has never bought a 40# case of random chicken breast from SYSCO I&#039;m sure he knows what he would be putting in peoples bodies. Do I still order thousands of dollars of this product a week to feed customers? Yes. Do I like it? No. He is doing something that chefs want to do, IMO, and I commend him for it. Some people call him arrogant and one sided - I call him lucky as hell to be able to do what he does.

I am lucky enough to use 2 organic farms for most of my home purchases. One is 5 minutes from my house and the other is an hour and a half. The one that is close I purchase eggs and goat&#039;s milk (the farmer and I make fresh cheese together - he made a trade - I shovel shit on sundays and he let&#039;s me make it with him)as well as whatever he decided to grow in season. The one far away is wonderful - I get produce from them twice a month...whatever is in season. What&#039;s great about it is, as far as money is concerned, it is an event for me, my children and our future. As far as gas prices are involved you could call it a wash - but not really. We get 2 weeks of produce, a wonderful day playing in the dirt, a farming lesson, recipe swaps, a suntan, great stories etc. As for it not being a wash - organic produce lasts (in my history) 50% longer than store bought and we eat ALOT of veg.

As for organic meats, buy Michael&#039;s book on charcuterie, buy the cheap cuts and improvise - no one says you have to have berkshire loin chops for dinner every night.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, here is a few thoughts. I don&#8217;t know him personally, but I think Dan Barber has been around the block:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.starchefs.com/chefs/DBarber/html/bio.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.starchefs.com/chefs/DBarber/html/bio.shtml</a></p>
<p>If you didn&#8217;t catch his piece on Anthony Bourdain&#8217;s No Reservations Holiday spacial you can watch it here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKSRwueI6wg" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKSRwueI6wg</a></p>
<p>If his Times article was taken as a stomp on commercial agriculture, well&#8230;who the hell wouldn&#8217;t do what he does with the chance? Broad generalizations of agriculture and food in general have become more and more prevalent in blogs and articles over the past few years. I&#8217;ll agree that some of Mr. Barber&#8217;s veiws are skewed (esp. since Parsons and Del Grosso weighed in with factual info) but his is a vision determined. As a chef that has bought the mass produce and protein for years &#8211; when you actually research how it is processed it starts to weigh on you. Even if he has never bought a 40# case of random chicken breast from SYSCO I&#8217;m sure he knows what he would be putting in peoples bodies. Do I still order thousands of dollars of this product a week to feed customers? Yes. Do I like it? No. He is doing something that chefs want to do, IMO, and I commend him for it. Some people call him arrogant and one sided &#8211; I call him lucky as hell to be able to do what he does.</p>
<p>I am lucky enough to use 2 organic farms for most of my home purchases. One is 5 minutes from my house and the other is an hour and a half. The one that is close I purchase eggs and goat&#8217;s milk (the farmer and I make fresh cheese together &#8211; he made a trade &#8211; I shovel shit on sundays and he let&#8217;s me make it with him)as well as whatever he decided to grow in season. The one far away is wonderful &#8211; I get produce from them twice a month&#8230;whatever is in season. What&#8217;s great about it is, as far as money is concerned, it is an event for me, my children and our future. As far as gas prices are involved you could call it a wash &#8211; but not really. We get 2 weeks of produce, a wonderful day playing in the dirt, a farming lesson, recipe swaps, a suntan, great stories etc. As for it not being a wash &#8211; organic produce lasts (in my history) 50% longer than store bought and we eat ALOT of veg.</p>
<p>As for organic meats, buy Michael&#8217;s book on charcuterie, buy the cheap cuts and improvise &#8211; no one says you have to have berkshire loin chops for dinner every night.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Morehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Morehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry but I just started catching up on this thread now and only got part way through the second comment but I have to stop reading and say, &quot;can&#039;t we just beat olive garden?&quot;.  back to the reading.
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		<title>By: Steven Morehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Morehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me after reading the whole thread there are two problems: 1.  People think that cooking is hard/too complicated. 2.  People think that they are &quot;inventing&quot; something new when they talk about local/organic/etc. food.  In response to 1, yes sometimes food takes work just like everything else worth while and while it might be difficult it is not impossible (even the complicated stuff with practice).  In response to #2 there are chefs out there that never made the switch to &quot;commercial&quot; food and we should listen more to them even though no one knows there name, which is a shame.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me after reading the whole thread there are two problems: 1.  People think that cooking is hard/too complicated. 2.  People think that they are &#8220;inventing&#8221; something new when they talk about local/organic/etc. food.  In response to 1, yes sometimes food takes work just like everything else worth while and while it might be difficult it is not impossible (even the complicated stuff with practice).  In response to #2 there are chefs out there that never made the switch to &#8220;commercial&#8221; food and we should listen more to them even though no one knows there name, which is a shame.</p>
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		<title>By: milo</title>
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		<dc:creator>milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There is food for nutrition, and there is food for passion.

Industrializing food production will be needed worldwide to feed growing populations&quot;

I don&#039;t buy that.  It increasingly seems like &quot;industrially&quot; produced food tends to have less nutritional value than food that isn&#039;t raised with chemical fertilizers and isn&#039;t varieties bred solely for quantity and shelf life.

Besides, so much of today&#039;s food is so highly processed and marked up from the original ingredients.  While the cost to the consumer has gone way down, the cost that the companies processing the food pays has gone down many times more.  Ironically, the farmers are now making less than ever, the consumers are paying less than ever, and yet the corporations are still making more profits than ever.

And much of that is due to a completely screwed up system of subsidies.  We simply don&#039;t know what the true economics of the situation are because it&#039;s nothing close to a free capitalist market.  Not to mention that government regulation favors huge farms at the expense of small ones (not surprising since the big corporate farms are the ones lobbying to get the laws to say what they want).

Also, the main fertilizers are derived from petroleum - as the price of oil goes up, I would think that the financial advantage of chemical fertilizers is lessened.

In the USA at least the biggest food problem facing most people is oversupply to the point of gluttony.  Most people are overweight, they eat too much, get too many calories.  Maybe if food prices went up it would force some to eat less.  Dare I say it, but if some people took the money they were spending now on the cheapest available food and spent the same budget on healthier things, they wouldn&#039;t be able to afford nearly as many calories...but they&#039;d lose weight, which they badly need to do.  Along the same lines, the amount of meat americans eat is extremely high and still rising.  Americans could live on less acres of farmland if people would just eat more vegetable products instead of growing corn and feeding it to animals.  And people can do more gardening even on even the smallest yards.  While it won&#039;t replace buying food bought from farms, it will save some money and provide some quality edibles.

While organic or small farm isn&#039;t always necessarily better, there do seem to be ways of farming that are better and ways that are worse.  I don&#039;t believe the bad ways are a necessity to get people fed, that we can&#039;t aspire to more beneficial means of farming and still produce enough for everyone.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is food for nutrition, and there is food for passion.</p>
<p>Industrializing food production will be needed worldwide to feed growing populations&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t buy that.  It increasingly seems like &#8220;industrially&#8221; produced food tends to have less nutritional value than food that isn&#8217;t raised with chemical fertilizers and isn&#8217;t varieties bred solely for quantity and shelf life.</p>
<p>Besides, so much of today&#8217;s food is so highly processed and marked up from the original ingredients.  While the cost to the consumer has gone way down, the cost that the companies processing the food pays has gone down many times more.  Ironically, the farmers are now making less than ever, the consumers are paying less than ever, and yet the corporations are still making more profits than ever.</p>
<p>And much of that is due to a completely screwed up system of subsidies.  We simply don&#8217;t know what the true economics of the situation are because it&#8217;s nothing close to a free capitalist market.  Not to mention that government regulation favors huge farms at the expense of small ones (not surprising since the big corporate farms are the ones lobbying to get the laws to say what they want).</p>
<p>Also, the main fertilizers are derived from petroleum &#8211; as the price of oil goes up, I would think that the financial advantage of chemical fertilizers is lessened.</p>
<p>In the USA at least the biggest food problem facing most people is oversupply to the point of gluttony.  Most people are overweight, they eat too much, get too many calories.  Maybe if food prices went up it would force some to eat less.  Dare I say it, but if some people took the money they were spending now on the cheapest available food and spent the same budget on healthier things, they wouldn&#8217;t be able to afford nearly as many calories&#8230;but they&#8217;d lose weight, which they badly need to do.  Along the same lines, the amount of meat americans eat is extremely high and still rising.  Americans could live on less acres of farmland if people would just eat more vegetable products instead of growing corn and feeding it to animals.  And people can do more gardening even on even the smallest yards.  While it won&#8217;t replace buying food bought from farms, it will save some money and provide some quality edibles.</p>
<p>While organic or small farm isn&#8217;t always necessarily better, there do seem to be ways of farming that are better and ways that are worse.  I don&#8217;t believe the bad ways are a necessity to get people fed, that we can&#8217;t aspire to more beneficial means of farming and still produce enough for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Andre</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/05/chef-voices.html/comment-page-1#comment-38819</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Cook at a small food shop in Canada&#039;s Capital City, Ottawa.  I have been in the industry a mear 5 years but have since learned so much. I come from a classic civil servant background, no special &#039;foodie&#039; upbringing, in fact, I come from a small mining community, and no farms for 200miles. But I have over the last few years, fallen in love with small food.   What I refer to as small food is food that comes from a smaller source. One that is not mass-produced in California(for example), picked green(read: unripe and unappetizing), artificially ripened, driven over thousands of miles, and sold to me as fresh, days and weeks later.

I am one of those Cooks/Chefs who loves to be involved in his community teaching and writing in the local newspaper.  I have over the last little bit heard so many people say they don&#039;t understand how it&#039;s possible for us to eat well, local and fresh, without spending an arm and a leg.  (I&#039;m getting to my point Kelly, promise)

Even as a chef, I have the same challenges.  If anyone knows the wage of your every day cook, you know I can&#039;t be spending 35$ on a pound of organically grown local spanich. I do however, choose my battles.

My fiancé and I, have over the last 2 years, eaten only local produce.  We no longer go into our produce section at our massive supermarket and look at the counter.  In fact, I haven&#039;t seen a full-out counter in months!  I look above the produce, where all the signs are, describing the products and where they come from.  If I read Canada, then I read the name, and onyl then will I look at the actual product.  This is how we are doing our part.

On the Industry side of things: we decided to plant our own garden.  We have dug up about 625 square feet of land and have tilled and are getting it ready to plant a slew of root vegetables, tomatoes, peas etc..  All things are heirloom and will be used in our store for production.  This permits us to make things more accessible to our client and helps us get a sense of what is involved in getting things from our farm, to their tables.

Enough babbling.  Anyone wants to check it out, we have decided to blog about the experience.  Its been great so far and I can&#039;t wait for things to start growing!


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Cook at a small food shop in Canada&#8217;s Capital City, Ottawa.  I have been in the industry a mear 5 years but have since learned so much. I come from a classic civil servant background, no special &#8216;foodie&#8217; upbringing, in fact, I come from a small mining community, and no farms for 200miles. But I have over the last few years, fallen in love with small food.   What I refer to as small food is food that comes from a smaller source. One that is not mass-produced in California(for example), picked green(read: unripe and unappetizing), artificially ripened, driven over thousands of miles, and sold to me as fresh, days and weeks later.</p>
<p>I am one of those Cooks/Chefs who loves to be involved in his community teaching and writing in the local newspaper.  I have over the last little bit heard so many people say they don&#8217;t understand how it&#8217;s possible for us to eat well, local and fresh, without spending an arm and a leg.  (I&#8217;m getting to my point Kelly, promise)</p>
<p>Even as a chef, I have the same challenges.  If anyone knows the wage of your every day cook, you know I can&#8217;t be spending 35$ on a pound of organically grown local spanich. I do however, choose my battles.</p>
<p>My fiancé and I, have over the last 2 years, eaten only local produce.  We no longer go into our produce section at our massive supermarket and look at the counter.  In fact, I haven&#8217;t seen a full-out counter in months!  I look above the produce, where all the signs are, describing the products and where they come from.  If I read Canada, then I read the name, and onyl then will I look at the actual product.  This is how we are doing our part.</p>
<p>On the Industry side of things: we decided to plant our own garden.  We have dug up about 625 square feet of land and have tilled and are getting it ready to plant a slew of root vegetables, tomatoes, peas etc..  All things are heirloom and will be used in our store for production.  This permits us to make things more accessible to our client and helps us get a sense of what is involved in getting things from our farm, to their tables.</p>
<p>Enough babbling.  Anyone wants to check it out, we have decided to blog about the experience.  Its been great so far and I can&#8217;t wait for things to start growing!</p>
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		<title>By: Claudia</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/05/chef-voices.html/comment-page-1#comment-38816</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Cliff - I dream of a world like Dan Barber envisages but, realistically, a lot of people simply can&#039;t afford small farm-produced food.   Sure, I have that luxury, but, say, a family of four in the same income bracket?  A single person in a lower bracket? (No, not &quot;peasants&quot;, Cliff - just middle-class of differing levels).  Maybe if we all bought from small farms it WOULD become affordable, but what was a bit out of people&#039;s range a few months ago is now ridiculously so, as even mass-farmed supermarket food is becoming.  It&#039;s going to be too much to expect people to deliberately choose to pay more, however justified the prices might be by the quality of the food and the benefit to the earth, the economy, small farmers AND ourselves, health-wise.  (You know you&#039;re in trouble when your grocery bills are almost as much as your mortgage (or rent)- especially in NY!)

On the one hand, I keep hoping small farms WILL be fully supported the way we should and we&#039;ll never see, say, crappy CAFO supermarket proteins, again - but on the other, I&#039;m just about ready to strap on the old snorkel and join Cliff in spear-fishing dinner (if I wasn&#039;t likely to die from one bite of New York harbor seafood.)

[You know, those grey squirrels are beginning to look good . . . I need to look at the Ruhlman squirrel-cooking video from last year again . . . (!)]

Still, a well-written and thoughtful piece by Barber and glad you posted it, Michael.  Thought-provoking in the extreme.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Cliff &#8211; I dream of a world like Dan Barber envisages but, realistically, a lot of people simply can&#8217;t afford small farm-produced food.   Sure, I have that luxury, but, say, a family of four in the same income bracket?  A single person in a lower bracket? (No, not &#8220;peasants&#8221;, Cliff &#8211; just middle-class of differing levels).  Maybe if we all bought from small farms it WOULD become affordable, but what was a bit out of people&#8217;s range a few months ago is now ridiculously so, as even mass-farmed supermarket food is becoming.  It&#8217;s going to be too much to expect people to deliberately choose to pay more, however justified the prices might be by the quality of the food and the benefit to the earth, the economy, small farmers AND ourselves, health-wise.  (You know you&#8217;re in trouble when your grocery bills are almost as much as your mortgage (or rent)- especially in NY!)</p>
<p>On the one hand, I keep hoping small farms WILL be fully supported the way we should and we&#8217;ll never see, say, crappy CAFO supermarket proteins, again &#8211; but on the other, I&#8217;m just about ready to strap on the old snorkel and join Cliff in spear-fishing dinner (if I wasn&#8217;t likely to die from one bite of New York harbor seafood.)</p>
<p>[You know, those grey squirrels are beginning to look good . . . I need to look at the Ruhlman squirrel-cooking video from last year again . . . (!)]</p>
<p>Still, a well-written and thoughtful piece by Barber and glad you posted it, Michael.  Thought-provoking in the extreme.</p>
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		<title>By: Connor</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/05/chef-voices.html/comment-page-1#comment-38817</link>
		<dc:creator>Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought-provoking post, Michael, though I&#039;ve got to agree with the points that Russ and Bob made about Dan Barber&#039;s op-ed.

As others have pointed out, he plays the small farm vs. big farm card ineffectively.  Is he talking about produce and animal farms entirely, or is he lumping them into the same pot with commodity crops?  Why is he using dollar values (rather than yields) when asserting that small farms are &quot;the most productive on earth?&quot;

And something that troubles me (both in his op-ed and increasingly in the media) is the oversimplication of &quot;Big Agriculture.&quot;  The number of acres a farmer manages isn&#039;t indicative of his/her environmental stewardship or energy efficiency or care of the land.  Barber seems to put the 4-acre farmer on a pedestal, while villifying the 1,364 acre farmer.  Why?  A farmer with over 1000 acres of land (whether it&#039;s owned or leased) isn&#039;t a &quot;Big&quot; farmer by any means, especially if you&#039;re including commodity crops in the mix.

And the part of his article that I took biggest issue with is this:  &quot;Land-grant universities and agricultural schools, dependent on financing from agribusiness, focus on maximum extraction from the land — take more, sell more, waste more.&quot;

Wow.  What a bizarre, mis-informed statement.  Does Barber really think that agribusiness is brain-washing everyone but chefs and gourmets out there?  Is he really serious (I had to re-read his concluding sentence multiple times) that the &quot;future [of agriculture] belongs to the gourmet?&quot;

Sure, I want chef voices to be heard (which, to be fair, is what I think Michael&#039;s original post was all about), but I also want a whole lot of other stakeholders at the table.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought-provoking post, Michael, though I&#8217;ve got to agree with the points that Russ and Bob made about Dan Barber&#8217;s op-ed.</p>
<p>As others have pointed out, he plays the small farm vs. big farm card ineffectively.  Is he talking about produce and animal farms entirely, or is he lumping them into the same pot with commodity crops?  Why is he using dollar values (rather than yields) when asserting that small farms are &#8220;the most productive on earth?&#8221;</p>
<p>And something that troubles me (both in his op-ed and increasingly in the media) is the oversimplication of &#8220;Big Agriculture.&#8221;  The number of acres a farmer manages isn&#8217;t indicative of his/her environmental stewardship or energy efficiency or care of the land.  Barber seems to put the 4-acre farmer on a pedestal, while villifying the 1,364 acre farmer.  Why?  A farmer with over 1000 acres of land (whether it&#8217;s owned or leased) isn&#8217;t a &#8220;Big&#8221; farmer by any means, especially if you&#8217;re including commodity crops in the mix.</p>
<p>And the part of his article that I took biggest issue with is this:  &#8220;Land-grant universities and agricultural schools, dependent on financing from agribusiness, focus on maximum extraction from the land — take more, sell more, waste more.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow.  What a bizarre, mis-informed statement.  Does Barber really think that agribusiness is brain-washing everyone but chefs and gourmets out there?  Is he really serious (I had to re-read his concluding sentence multiple times) that the &#8220;future [of agriculture] belongs to the gourmet?&#8221;</p>
<p>Sure, I want chef voices to be heard (which, to be fair, is what I think Michael&#8217;s original post was all about), but I also want a whole lot of other stakeholders at the table.</p>
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		<title>By: Connor</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/05/chef-voices.html/comment-page-1#comment-38818</link>
		<dc:creator>Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction to my post above -- *Oversimplification* -- that&#039;s what I get for typing so fast.
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		<title>By: Ulla</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/05/chef-voices.html/comment-page-1#comment-38815</link>
		<dc:creator>Ulla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really want to go to the restaurant to see what the fuss is all about. I am with Bob del Grosso and Darcie--- Barber&#039;s farm is not total reality.  I grew up on a farm and it is hard business. It is expensive and the way that Barber farms is very expensive. It is a really complicated issue, what I really love is that people seem to care more about farming then when I was little. My class mates used to bully me because I was a farm kid, now it is glamorous even!  Chefs in NYC have helped farmers farm in my upstate community. I think that all Chefs should be praised for educating the public about where food comes from.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really want to go to the restaurant to see what the fuss is all about. I am with Bob del Grosso and Darcie&#8212; Barber&#8217;s farm is not total reality.  I grew up on a farm and it is hard business. It is expensive and the way that Barber farms is very expensive. It is a really complicated issue, what I really love is that people seem to care more about farming then when I was little. My class mates used to bully me because I was a farm kid, now it is glamorous even!  Chefs in NYC have helped farmers farm in my upstate community. I think that all Chefs should be praised for educating the public about where food comes from.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob delGrosso</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/05/chef-voices.html/comment-page-1#comment-38814</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob delGrosso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, this is off topic and out of context but big (food) news is breaking in Chicago...


City Council reverses foie gras ban

Posted by Dan Mihalopoulos at 2:05 p.m.

With Mayor Richard Daley running the vote, the Chicago City Council on Wednesday repealed its controversial ban on foie gras.

Over the shouted objections of Ald. Joe Moore (49th), the ban&#039;s sponsor, the council used a parliamentary manuever to put the ordinance on the floor for a vote.

The council voted 37-6 to repeal the two-year-old ban, which critics argued had made Chicago--and the City Council--a national laughingstock.

Ald. Thomas Tunney (44th), a restaurant owner,forced the vote on the measure that prohibits restaurants in the city from serving the delicacy made from the engorged livers of ducks or geese.

Moore, whose pleas for a debate were ignored by Daley, warned fellow aldermen &quot;tomorrow it could happen to you.



http://tinyurl.com/6ove4p
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<p>City Council reverses foie gras ban</p>
<p>Posted by Dan Mihalopoulos at 2:05 p.m.</p>
<p>With Mayor Richard Daley running the vote, the Chicago City Council on Wednesday repealed its controversial ban on foie gras.</p>
<p>Over the shouted objections of Ald. Joe Moore (49th), the ban&#8217;s sponsor, the council used a parliamentary manuever to put the ordinance on the floor for a vote.</p>
<p>The council voted 37-6 to repeal the two-year-old ban, which critics argued had made Chicago&#8211;and the City Council&#8211;a national laughingstock.</p>
<p>Ald. Thomas Tunney (44th), a restaurant owner,forced the vote on the measure that prohibits restaurants in the city from serving the delicacy made from the engorged livers of ducks or geese.</p>
<p>Moore, whose pleas for a debate were ignored by Daley, warned fellow aldermen &#8220;tomorrow it could happen to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford Replogle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford Replogle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruhlman – I love your blog and I think it really kicks ass over all others for several reasons, namely, your writing is superb, your topics are on point, and the site itself is very well developed and professional.  My only drawback, which came to me after reading the article you linked by Mr. Barber, is I think the simplistic tone of what is being said in these articles and comments errors in the reality of over-regulation required to purchase great quality food at reasonable prices.  For instance, in Europe, a chef can drive out to the country farm – pick out an animal of his choosing (lamb, pig, steer, etcetera), have it slaughtered, wrapped and packed ready and brought straight back into his restaurant for use.  Hell, I watched on Bourdaine’s show him and Marco Pierre hunt and kill a whitetail deer– clean it in Marco’s kitchen, then serve, with the entire head on the table!   Something missing here, which I as a restaurant owner and operator in a small Santa Barbara County town, is how the exorbitant costs to procure and produce the way Barber would like to see in this so-called revolution -is elitist and out of touch to large majority’s of clientele.  From the big cities, I can see how this seems so reasonable – but to the rest of us serving in the other millions of square miles not urbanized – how can we make this work, since everything we do requires Big Brother to stamp approval thereby increasing already naturally increasing quality products?  I am frustrated if you cannot tell, by this bourgeoisie statement from Barber that “ Truly great cooking-not faddish 1.5 pound rib-eye steaks with butter sauce, but food that has evolved from the worlds thriving peasant cuisines – is based on the correspondence of good farming to a healthy environment and good nutrition.”   Ummm--- have you watched the news lately?  We are the peasant class.  We are not striving for malnutrition – we simply seek affordability.  I would love to strap on the mask and snorkel – 20 minutes from my house, spear a few ling-cod, grab some rock crab, and pluck some nice red abalone and create wonders from this in my kitchen – but I can’t, because this is the United States of America, and that might help me make a profit while also providing fresh quality.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruhlman – I love your blog and I think it really kicks ass over all others for several reasons, namely, your writing is superb, your topics are on point, and the site itself is very well developed and professional.  My only drawback, which came to me after reading the article you linked by Mr. Barber, is I think the simplistic tone of what is being said in these articles and comments errors in the reality of over-regulation required to purchase great quality food at reasonable prices.  For instance, in Europe, a chef can drive out to the country farm – pick out an animal of his choosing (lamb, pig, steer, etcetera), have it slaughtered, wrapped and packed ready and brought straight back into his restaurant for use.  Hell, I watched on Bourdaine’s show him and Marco Pierre hunt and kill a whitetail deer– clean it in Marco’s kitchen, then serve, with the entire head on the table!   Something missing here, which I as a restaurant owner and operator in a small Santa Barbara County town, is how the exorbitant costs to procure and produce the way Barber would like to see in this so-called revolution -is elitist and out of touch to large majority’s of clientele.  From the big cities, I can see how this seems so reasonable – but to the rest of us serving in the other millions of square miles not urbanized – how can we make this work, since everything we do requires Big Brother to stamp approval thereby increasing already naturally increasing quality products?  I am frustrated if you cannot tell, by this bourgeoisie statement from Barber that “ Truly great cooking-not faddish 1.5 pound rib-eye steaks with butter sauce, but food that has evolved from the worlds thriving peasant cuisines – is based on the correspondence of good farming to a healthy environment and good nutrition.”   Ummm&#8212; have you watched the news lately?  We are the peasant class.  We are not striving for malnutrition – we simply seek affordability.  I would love to strap on the mask and snorkel – 20 minutes from my house, spear a few ling-cod, grab some rock crab, and pluck some nice red abalone and create wonders from this in my kitchen – but I can’t, because this is the United States of America, and that might help me make a profit while also providing fresh quality.</p>
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