You’re still not getting it, are you?

and oh dear..oh dear…’the business’in hamlet didnt end well. ..at all.

i am afraid this foie gras business isnt going to end well either because the professed ‘love’ is based on misconceptions and propaganda. and fuelled with lots of PR and lobbying.

without the soundbytes and sales pitch, whats one’s instinct when one sees a duck being rammed with a tube down its throat and being forcefed with corn mush and fat..?

What do you think are the chances of Angie and Jesse from All My Children keepin it real in their second time around?

Cameron, I agree that government intervention probably isn’t the best solution for things like this.

As for going after foie or factory beef or chicken, it’s really just a matter of strategy. I think we can both agree that people trying to get factory farming of beef or chicken would have an extremely difficult time. As we’ve seen, they HAVE been successful in some places at getting foie gras banned.

There’s no question that a successful attempt to change factory beef would have a far bigger impact than changing cruel foie gras farming. But if a a successful attempt to change factory beef is practically impossible right now, I can’t blame them for going after something where they have a chance at succeeding. Especially if doing it spurs public debate…which can include factory farming.

And it’s not like these people are opposing foie INSTEAD of factory farming, many have opposed both…they have just had more success with foie so far.

Either way, it’s really just a debate over strategy.

And Cameron, I think you’re not clear on the concept of a straw man argument.

Almost every vegetarian I know has “cheated” at one point or another. And not even with humanely raised products!!

Do you REALIZE how much better the animal’s lives would be if we all contributed? If 1% of people give up all animal products and 99 percent don’t, it’s worthless. But if 99 percent of people give just 2% of effort, we could tremendously reduce suffering. Like going veggie just once a week.

For example, on Top Chef when they skinned a monkfish, just to toss it in the trash afterwards. Disgusting! Someone PLEASE correct me if I’m wrong about that, I would love to know that that animal didn’t die just to make the trash heavier!

Okay, on a lighter note, I bet we’ll all have a good chuckle when we see tofu not-fois-gras on menus, right?

The progressive Chicago foie gras ban, sponsored by Alderman Joe Moore and originally passed in 2006 by a vote of 48-1, has been repealed today due to shameless manipulation by restaurant industry lobbyists to bring the diseased, rotting organs of abused ducks and geese back to Chicago’s restaurants.

In the course of our work to keep this ban intact, we’ve talked to thousands of people on the streets of Chicago, the overwhelming majority of whom were horrified when they learned about the cruelty behind foie gras. Many of these people joined us in vocal support for Chicago’s progressive ban of the barbaric product. Unfortunately, in large part thanks to a handful of powerful people, battling wealthy industries can be a long, hard battle, regardless of where the public stands on the issue.

This decision is a big step backwards for the city, and it goes against the tide of civilized communities who are making the compassionate decision to ban foie gras.

It’s pretty clear from the desperate angling we’ve seen from the foie gras industry as they’ve fought against this ban that they know their days are numbered, but it’s a hell of a shame to see that, even in their death throes, they can still find a way to poison a beautiful thing. We will keep fighting to pass more foie gras bans and to educate the public about this delicacy of despair. You can count on that.

When “meat is murder”, using a flyswatter is an abomination. Michael, it looks like time to close this post down, too.

Nothing to see here, folks, keep moving.

tunney first filed a lawsuit in 2007 to overturn the ban. he lost. in june 27, an appeal to the us court of appeals for the seventh circuit was filed by tunney. oral arguments was scheduled for may 27. before that happened, using monetary losses to the city of chicago and it’s restaurants(just before taste of chicago even), the ban was repealed. something smells fishy in chicago. i’d love to have been a fly on the wall during the ‘discussions’ that allowed the repeal.

if chicago is forever tainted, its not because of the ban on foie gras or even its underhanded repeal…chicago is the laughing stock of the world when they started putting out outrageous foie gras dishes after the ban to make a point…foie gras pizza..with sausage and all other sorts of abomination. now..thats a reason to ban foie gras in chicago..all that torture the duck went through resulted in such culinary abominations.

tunney and daley dont have clean hands and havent won it ‘fair’ either. i am just saying..its my opinion.

The reviewer likens the foie gras ban to censorship and points out that like any artistic community, the chefs of Chicago protested it on that basis. Many didn’t serve fois gras at all, the limitation was the point. They saw it as a slippery slope to a nanny state that would govern everything they served, and I have to agree with that.

The ban was an addition to an omnibus bill that many council members voted for without knowing that it had been added. The alderman that surreptitiously added the ban mere hours before that vote is being disingenous now by claiming that he was blindsided by the repeal of the ban. He should have expected this.

For PETA and the alderman from Rogers Park, I have to say that at this point, your protests are mere foolishness. The ban was never a “victory”. It was the same kind of underhanded political deal that you are claiming is unfair now that the ban is repealed.

Ben Franklin says guests, like fish, start to stink in 3 days. If he were online, he’d likely say 3 paragraphs.

foie gras production in california is already illegal under general animal cruelty. (this is why i gave the example of the caponisation of cockerels..capons are enjoyed and appreciated by a very small group of people..a lot of people are happy dining on chicken) california already has laws to prevent cruel and unusual treatment of farm animals. wrt pigs and poultry, they are unfortunately still working under old fashioned legal guidelines. this needs to be changed. and so yes, legislation has to be passed. but this is tough because of the lobbying..avma toes the corporations that run these factory farms because..well.thats why they were founded. its an incestous relationship between the farmers and the supervisory bodies and the govt. it is an unholy orgy of the greedy and the powerful. and just because we cant stop the pigs and chicken from being treated badly doesnt mean that the cockerels and ducks cannot be saved from the same shabby treatment.

you said, “It’s a bit unnerving to see a Governor seeking state help for a ban of something like foie while the other food issues in his state as well as the country happen on a daily basis.”

i assumed that you were speaking of california and its ban on foie gras production come 2012? or am i mistaken?

how come the foie gras debate has ‘run its course’ only when i correct the misinformation that appears here? when people feel free to drop nuggets of untruths and fallacies, the foie gras discussion is all fine and dandy…i dont get it.

I say the foie issue has run it’s course not because of your corrections to untruths and fallacies. My debate has never been about the production of foie – I disagree wholeheartedly that it is cruel or inhumane, I serve it often and eat it when I can afford it. My debate is with the debate itself – I think it’s cowardly to single out one small section of food production and attack it because of an open wound scenario like foie. I think cali jumped on the bandwagon and it is hypocrisy at it’s best.

And, it seems, Cali’s bandwagon has the moral compass of Charlie Sheen as one of it’s leaders – that alone is laughable and worth a vote of opposition.

I would like for a person to do that. Please…I would like to sleep tonight. Please forgive my sarcasm, but really? REALLY?!

I don’t come here for assurance…sorry for the sarcasm but the foie debate has run it’s course.