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		<title>By: Chef Louis Pang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chef Louis Pang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is low temperature cooking. If the salmon is cooked at 56C, then it should be cooked at how many hour in order to cook safe? Thanks
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		<title>By: Dave in Denver</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/05/what-does-molec.html/comment-page-1#comment-38586</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave in Denver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can empathize with these brilliant chef&#039;s desire to not need a label on their cuisine.  I don&#039;t think Charlie Parker or Miles Davis needed a specific title for Bebop or the first musicians to swing some notes instead of paying them straight needed a name for it...  Baby - It&#039;s just Jazz...

That said, I do understand the consumers&#039; hesitance to accept something with a daunting title of &quot;molecular gastronomy.&quot;  It sounds cold, scientific, laborious... pardon the pun.  It&#039;s not molecular at all - In fact, it&#039;s just as scientific as applying heat to seer a piece of meat to reach a specific level of doneness.  I suspect most people have grilled a burger, steak, veggie, something.  What Achatz, Adia, Blumenthal are trying to do is make sense of what it means to do so and discover, if there is, a better way to do things.

For me, I don&#039;t need a name for it but if I did, perhaps &quot;gastronomic jazz&quot; would be an appropriate fit.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can empathize with these brilliant chef&#8217;s desire to not need a label on their cuisine.  I don&#8217;t think Charlie Parker or Miles Davis needed a specific title for Bebop or the first musicians to swing some notes instead of paying them straight needed a name for it&#8230;  Baby &#8211; It&#8217;s just Jazz&#8230;</p>
<p>That said, I do understand the consumers&#8217; hesitance to accept something with a daunting title of &#8220;molecular gastronomy.&#8221;  It sounds cold, scientific, laborious&#8230; pardon the pun.  It&#8217;s not molecular at all &#8211; In fact, it&#8217;s just as scientific as applying heat to seer a piece of meat to reach a specific level of doneness.  I suspect most people have grilled a burger, steak, veggie, something.  What Achatz, Adia, Blumenthal are trying to do is make sense of what it means to do so and discover, if there is, a better way to do things.</p>
<p>For me, I don&#8217;t need a name for it but if I did, perhaps &#8220;gastronomic jazz&#8221; would be an appropriate fit.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a little more on molecular gastronomy and the study of food as science and to add to what the term means, the New York Academy of Sciences just posted a podcast on the Experimental Cuisine Collective (http://experimentalcuisine.googlepages.com) in New York, which is an outreach program to make polymer science accessible through the use of food. In the Podcast, Kent Kirschenbaum, one of the founders of the group and a biochemist at NYU, talks about some of the group&#039;s ideas, goals, and processes.

You can check it out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nyas.org/snc/podcastdetail.asp?id=1832&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a little more on molecular gastronomy and the study of food as science and to add to what the term means, the New York Academy of Sciences just posted a podcast on the Experimental Cuisine Collective (<a href="http://experimentalcuisine.googlepages.com" rel="nofollow">http://experimentalcuisine.googlepages.com</a>) in New York, which is an outreach program to make polymer science accessible through the use of food. In the Podcast, Kent Kirschenbaum, one of the founders of the group and a biochemist at NYU, talks about some of the group&#8217;s ideas, goals, and processes.</p>
<p>You can check it out <a href="http://www.nyas.org/snc/podcastdetail.asp?id=1832" rel="nofollow">here.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jennie/Tikka</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/05/what-does-molec.html/comment-page-1#comment-38582</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennie/Tikka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chiming in very very late on this one (I&#039;ve been busy, mea culpa)

Molecular Gastronomy?

Its when you view food as science.  I&#039;ve gone back to college to study Physics and Chemistry and M.G. cooking could very well be a classroom experiment to prove some law of ionization or imcomplete combustion, etc.

Its the science of food as a molecular compound, and how those compounds can be manipulated (but still remain edible food).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chiming in very very late on this one (I&#8217;ve been busy, mea culpa)</p>
<p>Molecular Gastronomy?</p>
<p>Its when you view food as science.  I&#8217;ve gone back to college to study Physics and Chemistry and M.G. cooking could very well be a classroom experiment to prove some law of ionization or imcomplete combustion, etc.</p>
<p>Its the science of food as a molecular compound, and how those compounds can be manipulated (but still remain edible food).</p>
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		<title>By: jwu student</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/05/what-does-molec.html/comment-page-1#comment-38583</link>
		<dc:creator>jwu student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Ruhlman,
All the terminology aside, what does this stuff taste like. Is it all worth it?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ruhlman,<br />
All the terminology aside, what does this stuff taste like. Is it all worth it?</p>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/05/what-does-molec.html/comment-page-1#comment-38580</link>
		<dc:creator>luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Top Chef finale... The guy was using liquid nitrogen to make ice cream but couldn&#039;t figure out how to prepare bacon without ruining the meat. Rhulman said it best about molecular gastronomy. Not ready for the early bird crowd. The mol gas chef lost the lady chef that cooks basic simple meals like soup.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Top Chef finale&#8230; The guy was using liquid nitrogen to make ice cream but couldn&#8217;t figure out how to prepare bacon without ruining the meat. Rhulman said it best about molecular gastronomy. Not ready for the early bird crowd. The mol gas chef lost the lady chef that cooks basic simple meals like soup.</p>
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		<title>By: marie portman</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/05/what-does-molec.html/comment-page-1#comment-38581</link>
		<dc:creator>marie portman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I&#039;ve read from an encyclopedia, the term, Molecular gastronomy is a scientific discipline involving the study of physical and chemical processes that occur in cooking. Thus, chefs can apply this to improve their cooking, as it explains various reasons why things happen when cooking - for instance, why a soufflé rises. On the other hand, upon applying this technique to make their menu, they should still make sure of not compromising the taste as well as the health benefits and other benefits of those foods.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I&#8217;ve read from an encyclopedia, the term, Molecular gastronomy is a scientific discipline involving the study of physical and chemical processes that occur in cooking. Thus, chefs can apply this to improve their cooking, as it explains various reasons why things happen when cooking &#8211; for instance, why a soufflé rises. On the other hand, upon applying this technique to make their menu, they should still make sure of not compromising the taste as well as the health benefits and other benefits of those foods.<br />
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		<title>By: Darth Ritis</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/05/what-does-molec.html/comment-page-1#comment-38578</link>
		<dc:creator>Darth Ritis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant Achatz - Chef of the Year


All of this talk and look who wins the James Beard Award for Top Chef.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant Achatz &#8211; Chef of the Year</p>
<p>All of this talk and look who wins the James Beard Award for Top Chef.</p>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
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		<dc:creator>luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Grant Achatz could sauté shrimp, but he&#039;d much rather atomize it. Pete Wells visits him in Chicago to preview what may be America&#039;s best new restaurant, Alinea.
By Pete Wells
PB&amp;J

Your waiter will appear bearing a small steel contraption. Wires radiate up and out, like the skeleton of an upside-down umbrella. Snuggled into those spokes will be a small bunch of grapes, but the grapes are gone—all but two, which still cling to their denuded branch, partly visible through a lacy, paper-thin wrapping of toast. It won&#039;t look like food, exactly, but you&#039;re in a restaurant and this seems to be your first course and you&#039;re hungry, so you will pick up the whole weird mess by the stem, dangle it over your mouth, Roman emperor-style, and bite. The outside will be crisp; inside will be something juicy. A grape, of course. But there will be something else, something sticky and totally, utterly familiar. You&#039;ve known this taste since before you could tie your own shoes. A peanut butter and jelly sandwich! And you will wonder: Just what kind of restaurant is this, anyway?

It&#039;s called Alinea, and when it opens in Chicago this month, I predict that it will quickly prove itself one of America&#039;s most unusual, provocative, challenging and entertaining restaurants. Also, I&#039;ll bet, one of its best. &lt;&lt;&lt;

enough said... google more if you will


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>>Grant Achatz could sauté shrimp, but he&#8217;d much rather atomize it. Pete Wells visits him in Chicago to preview what may be America&#8217;s best new restaurant, Alinea.<br />
By Pete Wells<br />
PB&#038;J</p>
<p>Your waiter will appear bearing a small steel contraption. Wires radiate up and out, like the skeleton of an upside-down umbrella. Snuggled into those spokes will be a small bunch of grapes, but the grapes are gone—all but two, which still cling to their denuded branch, partly visible through a lacy, paper-thin wrapping of toast. It won&#8217;t look like food, exactly, but you&#8217;re in a restaurant and this seems to be your first course and you&#8217;re hungry, so you will pick up the whole weird mess by the stem, dangle it over your mouth, Roman emperor-style, and bite. The outside will be crisp; inside will be something juicy. A grape, of course. But there will be something else, something sticky and totally, utterly familiar. You&#8217;ve known this taste since before you could tie your own shoes. A peanut butter and jelly sandwich! And you will wonder: Just what kind of restaurant is this, anyway?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s called Alinea, and when it opens in Chicago this month, I predict that it will quickly prove itself one of America&#8217;s most unusual, provocative, challenging and entertaining restaurants. Also, I&#8217;ll bet, one of its best. <<<</p>
<p>enough said&#8230; google more if you will</p>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/05/what-does-molec.html/comment-page-1#comment-38575</link>
		<dc:creator>luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, he  didn&#039;t... Messy let me let you in on  a little secret. Luis understands high tech. Luis understands what it means to be there and have a new thing come on ... Folks a new thing coming on is like you having to RE-TOOL your kitchen every six months. RE-TRAIN your entire staff and RE-SELL your menu.
You think that is a good thing???????? and WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY???????? label me reactionary? I don&#039;t care. Are you ready for a new cellphone every six months and a new cuisine in as much time?????
Are you willing to forgo traditional wholesome cooking for new fangled gangsta rap crap cuisine????
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, he  didn&#8217;t&#8230; Messy let me let you in on  a little secret. Luis understands high tech. Luis understands what it means to be there and have a new thing come on &#8230; Folks a new thing coming on is like you having to RE-TOOL your kitchen every six months. RE-TRAIN your entire staff and RE-SELL your menu.<br />
You think that is a good thing???????? and WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY???????? label me reactionary? I don&#8217;t care. Are you ready for a new cellphone every six months and a new cuisine in as much time?????<br />
Are you willing to forgo traditional wholesome cooking for new fangled gangsta rap crap cuisine????</p>
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		<title>By: Messy</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/05/what-does-molec.html/comment-page-1#comment-38576</link>
		<dc:creator>Messy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh c&#039;mon, dude! Don&#039;t be obtuse. You know darn well that the place where the menu never changes is the one that closes within a year. (Unless the grandmas like it. Then you get 18 months) If you go through your entire life and never try anything new or different, then it&#039;s a pretty boring life, don&#039;t you think?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh c&#8217;mon, dude! Don&#8217;t be obtuse. You know darn well that the place where the menu never changes is the one that closes within a year. (Unless the grandmas like it. Then you get 18 months) If you go through your entire life and never try anything new or different, then it&#8217;s a pretty boring life, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/05/what-does-molec.html/comment-page-1#comment-38577</link>
		<dc:creator>luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Messy I can not argue with your logic there. Specially since I came back to this town after being gone for over twenty years.
Restaurants that deliver value and stick to the general public tastes are still around. Forty years later these entities are still here. But lots others are not. you want to spend three hundred dollars on a science experiment? ...and how often do you do this.
It is pathetic enough to spend two fifty large for a family meal that we all agree anyone of us can do it 100 times better. But this time you didn&#039;t project far enough into the future of molecular gastronomy and what I posted about it. Once you are into that high tech box of chocolates they pretty much got you on the roller coaster. retool, spend, and spend...to do the same thing you are doing now. I have a cellphone and digital phone or two and a rotary phone. Guess what? Essentially they all do tha same damm thing. Biggest thing in my lifetime is the development of the internet. Guess what? molecular gastronomy is NO internet.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Messy I can not argue with your logic there. Specially since I came back to this town after being gone for over twenty years.<br />
Restaurants that deliver value and stick to the general public tastes are still around. Forty years later these entities are still here. But lots others are not. you want to spend three hundred dollars on a science experiment? &#8230;and how often do you do this.<br />
It is pathetic enough to spend two fifty large for a family meal that we all agree anyone of us can do it 100 times better. But this time you didn&#8217;t project far enough into the future of molecular gastronomy and what I posted about it. Once you are into that high tech box of chocolates they pretty much got you on the roller coaster. retool, spend, and spend&#8230;to do the same thing you are doing now. I have a cellphone and digital phone or two and a rotary phone. Guess what? Essentially they all do tha same damm thing. Biggest thing in my lifetime is the development of the internet. Guess what? molecular gastronomy is NO internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Messy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, George. I think Luis missed my last point.

When tradition becomes the rule, the atmosphere becomes stifling and creativity suffers. Sometimes, &quot;traditionalist&quot; and &quot;reactionary&quot; become interchangeable, and that is always a bad thing.

Whether an experiment works or not, the fact that it happened is valid, and even if it fails, there&#039;s always another step to take. Plus, if you don&#039;t like it, don&#039;t eat it!


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, George. I think Luis missed my last point.</p>
<p>When tradition becomes the rule, the atmosphere becomes stifling and creativity suffers. Sometimes, &#8220;traditionalist&#8221; and &#8220;reactionary&#8221; become interchangeable, and that is always a bad thing.</p>
<p>Whether an experiment works or not, the fact that it happened is valid, and even if it fails, there&#8217;s always another step to take. Plus, if you don&#8217;t like it, don&#8217;t eat it!</p>
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		<title>By: George Kaplan</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Kaplan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a distinction needs to be made in the use of these ingredients and techniques.  The way I see it, the chefs mentioned use them to draw attention to an aspect of a more traditional food, or at least to view it in a new way.  This is, I think, the opposite of processed food, where the ingredients and techniques are used to cover up the fact that a more traditional ingredient is inconvenient or missing for whatever reason.

I think the former is born out curiosity and innovation while the latter is born out of a comfort with the familiar, easy, and predictable. Everybody&#039;s got some of both, just the mixes are different.

It doesn&#039;t always work, but I&#039;d rather see somebody swing for the fence now and then.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a distinction needs to be made in the use of these ingredients and techniques.  The way I see it, the chefs mentioned use them to draw attention to an aspect of a more traditional food, or at least to view it in a new way.  This is, I think, the opposite of processed food, where the ingredients and techniques are used to cover up the fact that a more traditional ingredient is inconvenient or missing for whatever reason.</p>
<p>I think the former is born out curiosity and innovation while the latter is born out of a comfort with the familiar, easy, and predictable. Everybody&#8217;s got some of both, just the mixes are different.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t always work, but I&#8217;d rather see somebody swing for the fence now and then.</p>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
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		<dc:creator>luis</dc:creator>
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		<description>Messy , you are right.. what is &quot;Molecular Gastronomy&quot; NOT!..?
It is NOT!! food steeped in TRADITION.

What is &quot;Molecular Gastronomy?&quot;
Food modified/synthesized/ and conceived in Science including all the artificial flavoring I have ranted about to some&#039;s dismay.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Messy , you are right.. what is &#8220;Molecular Gastronomy&#8221; NOT!..?<br />
It is NOT!! food steeped in TRADITION.</p>
<p>What is &#8220;Molecular Gastronomy?&#8221;<br />
Food modified/synthesized/ and conceived in Science including all the artificial flavoring I have ranted about to some&#8217;s dismay.</p>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
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		<dc:creator>luis</dc:creator>
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		<description>oh boy, I forgot to add in the ENTIRE BREAKFAST CEREAL AISLE at your megamart... just what sort of crap is rice crispy&#039;s...man while I wasn&#039;t looking the shit already hit tha FAN!!!!!! just today at work there was a guy eating cheeto&#039;s and some sort faux chocolate cream thing sandwidch... The guy knew it was all synthetic crap but ... he was eating it. Such is the economic toll we place on the common man. Who am I to complain ..? As long as the megamart is able to get away this this crap....is how long your bad stomach day will last.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh boy, I forgot to add in the ENTIRE BREAKFAST CEREAL AISLE at your megamart&#8230; just what sort of crap is rice crispy&#8217;s&#8230;man while I wasn&#8217;t looking the shit already hit tha FAN!!!!!! just today at work there was a guy eating cheeto&#8217;s and some sort faux chocolate cream thing sandwidch&#8230; The guy knew it was all synthetic crap but &#8230; he was eating it. Such is the economic toll we place on the common man. Who am I to complain ..? As long as the megamart is able to get away this this crap&#8230;.is how long your bad stomach day will last.</p>
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		<title>By: Messy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Milo, the example I posted was an example of bad food writing. It tells you nothing about what the restaurant is actually like, and really doesn&#039;t pin down what it serves.

There are several places that I don&#039;t think you can easily label. For example, Schwa (Yes, it&#039;s all tasting menu all the time, but that isn&#039;t very useful, is it?), Sook Harbour House (Well, we can list ingredients, but that doesn&#039;t tell the story, now, does it?) and no doubt a whole bunch of others.

Unless you can definitively state that a place is, for example, a French bistro or a Northern Italian place, labels only serve to limit expectations.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Milo, the example I posted was an example of bad food writing. It tells you nothing about what the restaurant is actually like, and really doesn&#8217;t pin down what it serves.</p>
<p>There are several places that I don&#8217;t think you can easily label. For example, Schwa (Yes, it&#8217;s all tasting menu all the time, but that isn&#8217;t very useful, is it?), Sook Harbour House (Well, we can list ingredients, but that doesn&#8217;t tell the story, now, does it?) and no doubt a whole bunch of others.</p>
<p>Unless you can definitively state that a place is, for example, a French bistro or a Northern Italian place, labels only serve to limit expectations.</p>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
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		<dc:creator>luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Milo, I understand. The high end kitchens are out of reach to many folks and something may be happening there that we just don&#039;t understand. We see the Cantu&#039;s of the world on TV and the el bulli tapas Jose Andres raved about and we hear snippets here and there and we form an opinion. It&#039;s human. But you really can&#039;t discount your intuition and what your brain is capable of picturing from a few factual bits of information. I am confortable in what I posted so far until I have information to the contrary.
Whatever you want to elevate as a cuisine without a tradition can make a turkey taste like pig&#039;s belly and so on and on and on... but It can not unlock and rigorously write down a set of rules you and I can verify on how to combine assorted vegetables properly.
Hint!...maybe because they are working on making vegetable flavored turkeys?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Milo, I understand. The high end kitchens are out of reach to many folks and something may be happening there that we just don&#8217;t understand. We see the Cantu&#8217;s of the world on TV and the el bulli tapas Jose Andres raved about and we hear snippets here and there and we form an opinion. It&#8217;s human. But you really can&#8217;t discount your intuition and what your brain is capable of picturing from a few factual bits of information. I am confortable in what I posted so far until I have information to the contrary.<br />
Whatever you want to elevate as a cuisine without a tradition can make a turkey taste like pig&#8217;s belly and so on and on and on&#8230; but It can not unlock and rigorously write down a set of rules you and I can verify on how to combine assorted vegetables properly.<br />
Hint!&#8230;maybe because they are working on making vegetable flavored turkeys?</p>
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		<title>By: milo</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/05/what-does-molec.html/comment-page-1#comment-38568</link>
		<dc:creator>milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don&#039;t think that a label applied to an existing tradition is an issue.&quot;

So things that are too new to be &quot;traditions&quot; shouldn&#039;t get labeled?  Why make that distinction?

Cuisine is defined as &quot;a style or method of cooking, esp. as characteristic of a particular country, region, or establishment&quot;.  If these places share a style or method of cooking (and they do to at least some degree), they DO have a cuisine.

Luis, you seem so fixated on spam and cheetos that you&#039;re not even capable of keeping your mind open enough to even think about what these restaurants are doing.  Let us know when you&#039;re done with the knee jerk reactions and actually willing to participate in a discussion.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t think that a label applied to an existing tradition is an issue.&#8221;</p>
<p>So things that are too new to be &#8220;traditions&#8221; shouldn&#8217;t get labeled?  Why make that distinction?</p>
<p>Cuisine is defined as &#8220;a style or method of cooking, esp. as characteristic of a particular country, region, or establishment&#8221;.  If these places share a style or method of cooking (and they do to at least some degree), they DO have a cuisine.</p>
<p>Luis, you seem so fixated on spam and cheetos that you&#8217;re not even capable of keeping your mind open enough to even think about what these restaurants are doing.  Let us know when you&#8217;re done with the knee jerk reactions and actually willing to participate in a discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: milo</title>
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		<dc:creator>milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If I worked in a restaurant and someone asked me for the name of a competitor, I would very politely refuse to fill in the blank, particularly if the manager or owner was around.&quot;

Of course you wouldn&#039;t ask the chef for a competitor, I&#039;m talking about if you were going to ask a friend or a restaurant critic.  You don&#039;t think it&#039;s useful to be able to describe different kinds of restaurants?

&quot;However, I frequently see reviews posted where the writer is desperately hunting for a label for a new place and comes up with something utterly absurd, like &quot;Korean-inspired Nouveau-American with a French influence.&quot;

What&#039;s the alternative?  Just say &quot;I can&#039;t describe it, but trust me, it&#039;s really good...&quot;?  Useless.

&quot;What in blazes are we supposed to make of that?&quot;

That is combines elements of the things listed?  Sure, it&#039;s awkward, but it&#039;s more useful than nothing.

&quot;I think it&#039;s nonsense. Tell me what you ate, tell me if you liked it or not, describe the menu and leave it at that. I think the majority of the dining public is bright enough to make a decision based on that, don&#039;t you?&quot;

Sure, that will work.  But if the menu is made up of Korean and French elements, isn&#039;t that just going to be what you&#039;re going to end up describing?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If I worked in a restaurant and someone asked me for the name of a competitor, I would very politely refuse to fill in the blank, particularly if the manager or owner was around.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course you wouldn&#8217;t ask the chef for a competitor, I&#8217;m talking about if you were going to ask a friend or a restaurant critic.  You don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s useful to be able to describe different kinds of restaurants?</p>
<p>&#8220;However, I frequently see reviews posted where the writer is desperately hunting for a label for a new place and comes up with something utterly absurd, like &#8220;Korean-inspired Nouveau-American with a French influence.&#8221;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the alternative?  Just say &#8220;I can&#8217;t describe it, but trust me, it&#8217;s really good&#8230;&#8221;?  Useless.</p>
<p>&#8220;What in blazes are we supposed to make of that?&#8221;</p>
<p>That is combines elements of the things listed?  Sure, it&#8217;s awkward, but it&#8217;s more useful than nothing.</p>
<p>&#8220;I think it&#8217;s nonsense. Tell me what you ate, tell me if you liked it or not, describe the menu and leave it at that. I think the majority of the dining public is bright enough to make a decision based on that, don&#8217;t you?&#8221;</p>
<p>Sure, that will work.  But if the menu is made up of Korean and French elements, isn&#8217;t that just going to be what you&#8217;re going to end up describing?</p>
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