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		<title>By: VacNBags</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/11/under-pressur-1.html/comment-page-1#comment-34962</link>
		<dc:creator>VacNBags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We recently launched a website offering vacuum sealers and bags.  We have a line of channel vacuum and sous vide bags which are a poly/nylon composition.  The channel vacuum bags are suitable for temperatures up to 158 degrees farenheit and the sous vide bags are suitable up to 212 degrees farenheit.  We can provide further specifications if you are concerned about safety, etc.

We are offering a 10% discount on the sous vide bags is the discount code -SOUSVIDE is used.  Enjoy!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We recently launched a website offering vacuum sealers and bags.  We have a line of channel vacuum and sous vide bags which are a poly/nylon composition.  The channel vacuum bags are suitable for temperatures up to 158 degrees farenheit and the sous vide bags are suitable up to 212 degrees farenheit.  We can provide further specifications if you are concerned about safety, etc.</p>
<p>We are offering a 10% discount on the sous vide bags is the discount code -SOUSVIDE is used.  Enjoy!</p>
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		<title>By: Hal Wyman</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/11/under-pressur-1.html/comment-page-1#comment-34961</link>
		<dc:creator>Hal Wyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out the Beckett DP80 submersible pump for &quot;circulating&quot; the Sous Vide Magic water.  It&#039;s only about 3x2x2 inches with suction cups on the bottom to hold it in place.  Add a short piece of 1/4&quot; hose with a weight on the end and now you have circulation as well.  It has adjustable flow control and I use it on low flow.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out the Beckett DP80 submersible pump for &#8220;circulating&#8221; the Sous Vide Magic water.  It&#8217;s only about 3&#215;2x2 inches with suction cups on the bottom to hold it in place.  Add a short piece of 1/4&#8243; hose with a weight on the end and now you have circulation as well.  It has adjustable flow control and I use it on low flow.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy C</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/11/under-pressur-1.html/comment-page-1#comment-34960</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This book is an awesome knowledge exchange for chefs that want a step-by-step guide for duplicating glitzy recipes using the same (expensive) equipment Keller’s staff uses. Many of us are less interested in cookbooks comprised of a collection of proven/tested recipes than in the scientific principles and processes of cooking and food safety. This book can&#039;t be considered a technical reference, although it covers the basics well enough. Learning comes in many forms, and learning by reference (recipes) is a tried and true approach. However, extrapolating new insights and understanding from this collection of Veal and Foie Gras recipes doesn’t do much for mainstream restaurateurs and cooks who could have benefited from more discussion on the basics – English speaking or not. For instance, without any discussion of how the Product, Temperature, and Time table was developed, the Sous Vide community is rewarded with just another incomplete list. Knowing why Sirloin of Beef requires 139.1 DegF for 45 minutes versus Lamb Medallions that require 140.9 DegF for 35 minutes would seem worthy of some discussion, and without more technical discussion on vacuum, readers will conclude that vacuum, and expensive vacuum equipment are important to Sous Vide. Instead they need to know that the objective is fluid-to-fluid heat exchange. When the product includes liquid, and commercial vacuum equipment is out of reach, freezing is one alternative, and so is squeezing the air out of the bag and sealing it with no vacuum. For this reason, and rightly so, the time and temperature table doesn’t specify pressure; important technical knowledge that should jump out at the reader.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This book is an awesome knowledge exchange for chefs that want a step-by-step guide for duplicating glitzy recipes using the same (expensive) equipment Keller’s staff uses. Many of us are less interested in cookbooks comprised of a collection of proven/tested recipes than in the scientific principles and processes of cooking and food safety. This book can&#8217;t be considered a technical reference, although it covers the basics well enough. Learning comes in many forms, and learning by reference (recipes) is a tried and true approach. However, extrapolating new insights and understanding from this collection of Veal and Foie Gras recipes doesn’t do much for mainstream restaurateurs and cooks who could have benefited from more discussion on the basics – English speaking or not. For instance, without any discussion of how the Product, Temperature, and Time table was developed, the Sous Vide community is rewarded with just another incomplete list. Knowing why Sirloin of Beef requires 139.1 DegF for 45 minutes versus Lamb Medallions that require 140.9 DegF for 35 minutes would seem worthy of some discussion, and without more technical discussion on vacuum, readers will conclude that vacuum, and expensive vacuum equipment are important to Sous Vide. Instead they need to know that the objective is fluid-to-fluid heat exchange. When the product includes liquid, and commercial vacuum equipment is out of reach, freezing is one alternative, and so is squeezing the air out of the bag and sealing it with no vacuum. For this reason, and rightly so, the time and temperature table doesn’t specify pressure; important technical knowledge that should jump out at the reader.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff P</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/11/under-pressur-1.html/comment-page-1#comment-34959</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating stuff, all the way around. Finished the Keller &amp; Ruhlman book Under Pressure last week. Posted a review at our site: www.sousvidesimple.com.

Also, use the basic home setup of sous vide magic controller + crock pot. It&#039;s worked pretty well.

I&#039;ve been playing around with freezing various seasonings and flavorings - about 20 different things -- mustard, a bunch of different oils, bbq sauce, molasses, soy sauce, etc.

Since the basic consumer vacuum sealer doesn&#039;t like liquids and most of the literature suggests freezing your seasoning in ice cube trays, I figured I&#039;d see what freezes and how long it takes.

Most but not all of the seasonings freeze or gel up, but some do not, no matter how long you freeze them. I document the whole experiment and all 20 seasonings I tried here:

http://www.sousvidesimple.com/profiles/blogs/freezing-liquids-for-sous-vide

Love to hear if anyone else has looked at this issue and what you&#039;ve found??

-Jeff

P.S. I know the commercial vacuum seal units don&#039;t have this issue, but as long as I&#039;m using my consumer vacuum sealer I&#039;ve got to deal with this. Unless someone has a better idea?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating stuff, all the way around. Finished the Keller &#038; Ruhlman book Under Pressure last week. Posted a review at our site: <a href="http://www.sousvidesimple.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sousvidesimple.com</a>.</p>
<p>Also, use the basic home setup of sous vide magic controller + crock pot. It&#8217;s worked pretty well.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been playing around with freezing various seasonings and flavorings &#8211; about 20 different things &#8212; mustard, a bunch of different oils, bbq sauce, molasses, soy sauce, etc.</p>
<p>Since the basic consumer vacuum sealer doesn&#8217;t like liquids and most of the literature suggests freezing your seasoning in ice cube trays, I figured I&#8217;d see what freezes and how long it takes.</p>
<p>Most but not all of the seasonings freeze or gel up, but some do not, no matter how long you freeze them. I document the whole experiment and all 20 seasonings I tried here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sousvidesimple.com/profiles/blogs/freezing-liquids-for-sous-vide" rel="nofollow">http://www.sousvidesimple.com/profiles/blogs/freezing-liquids-for-sous-vide</a></p>
<p>Love to hear if anyone else has looked at this issue and what you&#8217;ve found??</p>
<p>-Jeff</p>
<p>P.S. I know the commercial vacuum seal units don&#8217;t have this issue, but as long as I&#8217;m using my consumer vacuum sealer I&#8217;ve got to deal with this. Unless someone has a better idea?</p>
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		<title>By: Conway Yen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conway Yen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. Thanks for signing both of my books, Michael!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. Thanks for signing both of my books, Michael!</p>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/11/under-pressur-1.html/comment-page-1#comment-34958</link>
		<dc:creator>luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love my Hamilton Beach slow cooker.... got a corned beef brisket going with tmp probe setting. The thing reports the internal tmp of the protein and the actual tmp.. I love it. The results when it turns off and rolls to keep warm will be outstanding. How easy is this?. This is why I want to sous vide a lot going forward. Keller&#039;s book is in transit and I CAN NOT WAIT TO GET IT!!!!!!!!!!.
Microwaving and plastic is an issue. But Sous Vide and plastic is not.. far as I can see.
Freaking Ruhlman can you imagine me walking down the grocery aisle in my megamarket and picking up entire Sous Vide meals from tha frozen section and poping them into my Sous Vide slow cooker and voila... a Keller dinner in my home? Dude let&#039;s do something... make some moola? You are right this is BIIIIIIIG!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love my Hamilton Beach slow cooker&#8230;. got a corned beef brisket going with tmp probe setting. The thing reports the internal tmp of the protein and the actual tmp.. I love it. The results when it turns off and rolls to keep warm will be outstanding. How easy is this?. This is why I want to sous vide a lot going forward. Keller&#8217;s book is in transit and I CAN NOT WAIT TO GET IT!!!!!!!!!!.<br />
Microwaving and plastic is an issue. But Sous Vide and plastic is not.. far as I can see.<br />
Freaking Ruhlman can you imagine me walking down the grocery aisle in my megamarket and picking up entire Sous Vide meals from tha frozen section and poping them into my Sous Vide slow cooker and voila&#8230; a Keller dinner in my home? Dude let&#8217;s do something&#8230; make some moola? You are right this is BIIIIIIIG!!</p>
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		<title>By: Conway Yen</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/11/under-pressur-1.html/comment-page-1#comment-34956</link>
		<dc:creator>Conway Yen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Pablo on the health issue.  Compounds that leach out of plastics and into our food and water have been pretty prominent in the news lately, and it&#039;s certainly a cause for some concern; however, I&#039;m willing to bet that people are more worried about it now than ever before simply because they keep seeing, hearing, and reading about it in the news.  Time will bring us a new carcinogen -- a new villain -- and the worries about the dangers of plastics will diminish.  Perhaps a 21st century Horace Fletcher will emerge, espousing the many health benefits of rabid mastication and advocating a severe restriction on the amount of animal protein we all eat (dear God, I hope not)?
Until then, I think it&#039;s important to realize that just about everything has a negative side to it and surprising things may have carcinogenic properties.  Fortunately, adult humans are fairly resilient and durable, so, to be on the safe side, as long you don&#039;t feed kids and infants too many foods cooked sous vide or in heavy contact with conventional plastics, and stick with organically grown foods (pesticides and other chemicals, yanno. Another health concern.) then everyone should be fine.
Furthermore, if you&#039;re an adult who is seriously concerned about the health issues related to plastics, yet you regularly drink alcohol, I would seriously question your logic.  My background is in psychology (substance abuse in particular) and the research and statistics show that alcohol is the single most dangerous substance on this planet.  To drink while being worried about what leaches out of plastic seems somehow hypocritical and illogical to me -- which isn&#039;t to lecture anyone on the dangers of drinking.  I drink on occasion myself.  I didn&#039;t used to.  Just when I started working for the government.
Everything in moderation.  Happy eating, everyone.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Pablo on the health issue.  Compounds that leach out of plastics and into our food and water have been pretty prominent in the news lately, and it&#8217;s certainly a cause for some concern; however, I&#8217;m willing to bet that people are more worried about it now than ever before simply because they keep seeing, hearing, and reading about it in the news.  Time will bring us a new carcinogen &#8212; a new villain &#8212; and the worries about the dangers of plastics will diminish.  Perhaps a 21st century Horace Fletcher will emerge, espousing the many health benefits of rabid mastication and advocating a severe restriction on the amount of animal protein we all eat (dear God, I hope not)?<br />
Until then, I think it&#8217;s important to realize that just about everything has a negative side to it and surprising things may have carcinogenic properties.  Fortunately, adult humans are fairly resilient and durable, so, to be on the safe side, as long you don&#8217;t feed kids and infants too many foods cooked sous vide or in heavy contact with conventional plastics, and stick with organically grown foods (pesticides and other chemicals, yanno. Another health concern.) then everyone should be fine.<br />
Furthermore, if you&#8217;re an adult who is seriously concerned about the health issues related to plastics, yet you regularly drink alcohol, I would seriously question your logic.  My background is in psychology (substance abuse in particular) and the research and statistics show that alcohol is the single most dangerous substance on this planet.  To drink while being worried about what leaches out of plastic seems somehow hypocritical and illogical to me &#8212; which isn&#8217;t to lecture anyone on the dangers of drinking.  I drink on occasion myself.  I didn&#8217;t used to.  Just when I started working for the government.<br />
Everything in moderation.  Happy eating, everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
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		<dc:creator>luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1976 Congresional Club Cookbok!. Got one in primo condition at a estate sale in the hood for outrageous price of 1 dollar. What an outstanding collection of easy American recipes. A treasure. Keller your book better live up... I know it will can&#039;t wait to receive it.
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		<title>By: Pablo Escolar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo Escolar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruhlman:

Just saw Keller and you at the Astor Center.  Regarding health, it is worth reminding people that the more we label everything dangerous and cancerous the harder it is for people to make educated decisions about it.  We used to be convinced that cooking with microwave ovens was incredibly dangerous.  Now there is one in almost every home.   Also, grilling causes cancer.  I haven&#039;t see much behavioral change in whether we grill foods or not.

I&#039;m not saying we shouldn&#039;t think or talk about it, but lets also put it into context and use moderation with a side order of common sense.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruhlman:</p>
<p>Just saw Keller and you at the Astor Center.  Regarding health, it is worth reminding people that the more we label everything dangerous and cancerous the harder it is for people to make educated decisions about it.  We used to be convinced that cooking with microwave ovens was incredibly dangerous.  Now there is one in almost every home.   Also, grilling causes cancer.  I haven&#8217;t see much behavioral change in whether we grill foods or not.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying we shouldn&#8217;t think or talk about it, but lets also put it into context and use moderation with a side order of common sense.</p>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
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		<dc:creator>luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is that measuring my slow cooker I see that low tmp tops out at ~ 160F and High tmp tops out at ~ 200F. More work still to come. But these are low tmps by anyone&#039;s judgement and the threat to melt the bad out of plastic at these tmps is questionable. Specially because you just cook the protein for a limited amount of time. Anyway if Keller has the answer I will soon find out.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is that measuring my slow cooker I see that low tmp tops out at ~ 160F and High tmp tops out at ~ 200F. More work still to come. But these are low tmps by anyone&#8217;s judgement and the threat to melt the bad out of plastic at these tmps is questionable. Specially because you just cook the protein for a limited amount of time. Anyway if Keller has the answer I will soon find out.</p>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2008/11/under-pressur-1.html/comment-page-1#comment-34952</link>
		<dc:creator>luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bah!, I once had a tennis coach that had a plan. Simple and twisted but a plan. He wanted to wear his body out inside out such that when his time came everything in his body would break at once. Seeing my dad suffer with alzheimers @ 94... I think the coach had point.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bah!, I once had a tennis coach that had a plan. Simple and twisted but a plan. He wanted to wear his body out inside out such that when his time came everything in his body would break at once. Seeing my dad suffer with alzheimers @ 94&#8230; I think the coach had point.</p>
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		<title>By: JGPavlov</title>
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		<dc:creator>JGPavlov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been interested in this technique since I saw it on some food show a couple of years back.  The thermostated recirculating bath has been a standard piece of equipment in the chemistry labs I have worked in for as long as I have been working in labs.  I always wondered about cooking in them.

The use of plastic is a problem for me, however.  There is real reason for the fuss.  PVC based films were standard until a few years ago in home wraps(Saran changed their formulation to LDPE in 2004) and PVC is STILL the standard film in the food service industry because of its superior protective qualities.    PVC films contain plasticizers which have been shown to leach into fatty foods.  These plasticizers are suspected carcinogens.
LDPE in theory does not require such plasticizers, but other chemicals are added to increase clinginess of the films.  (In bags this may not be a problem as clinginess is not required.)  The risks of these chemicals are not known.  Bags made of layers which include PVC will have plasticizers.  Even if the contact layer is not PVC the plasticizers can migrate through the layers.

As far as tested safe, it is a good they are tested for storage, not for cooking.  (Except maybe those marketed as &quot;microwaveable&quot;.) And frankly, when you test something, you are only likely to find those things you know to look for.  I am not convinced. Until 2004 every time a chef told me to put plastic wrap on the surface of a hot custard to prevent skin formation, they were telling me to put suspected carcinogens in my food.  No thanks.

Anyway, I still might try the Sous vide.  Maybe I can wrap in aluminum or parchment before I put it in the plastic.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been interested in this technique since I saw it on some food show a couple of years back.  The thermostated recirculating bath has been a standard piece of equipment in the chemistry labs I have worked in for as long as I have been working in labs.  I always wondered about cooking in them.</p>
<p>The use of plastic is a problem for me, however.  There is real reason for the fuss.  PVC based films were standard until a few years ago in home wraps(Saran changed their formulation to LDPE in 2004) and PVC is STILL the standard film in the food service industry because of its superior protective qualities.    PVC films contain plasticizers which have been shown to leach into fatty foods.  These plasticizers are suspected carcinogens.<br />
LDPE in theory does not require such plasticizers, but other chemicals are added to increase clinginess of the films.  (In bags this may not be a problem as clinginess is not required.)  The risks of these chemicals are not known.  Bags made of layers which include PVC will have plasticizers.  Even if the contact layer is not PVC the plasticizers can migrate through the layers.</p>
<p>As far as tested safe, it is a good they are tested for storage, not for cooking.  (Except maybe those marketed as &#8220;microwaveable&#8221;.) And frankly, when you test something, you are only likely to find those things you know to look for.  I am not convinced. Until 2004 every time a chef told me to put plastic wrap on the surface of a hot custard to prevent skin formation, they were telling me to put suspected carcinogens in my food.  No thanks.</p>
<p>Anyway, I still might try the Sous vide.  Maybe I can wrap in aluminum or parchment before I put it in the plastic.</p>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
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		<dc:creator>luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Characterizing the slow cooker. Filled with water lid tightly on last night it heated slowly....I think it had reached ~160 F by the time I called it a day and turned it off.
Understanding the slow cooker heating profile is key to applying Kellers rules for Sous Vide in the home. Hey!... something to do before they deliver the new shiny expensive cookbook. What drives me? is the set it, go to sleep and forget it thing. The fact I don&#039;t have to cook in fat or clean a mountain of dishes.. that the flavor and proteins and vitamins have no way to escape the protein... This is exciting... I think.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Characterizing the slow cooker. Filled with water lid tightly on last night it heated slowly&#8230;.I think it had reached ~160 F by the time I called it a day and turned it off.<br />
Understanding the slow cooker heating profile is key to applying Kellers rules for Sous Vide in the home. Hey!&#8230; something to do before they deliver the new shiny expensive cookbook. What drives me? is the set it, go to sleep and forget it thing. The fact I don&#8217;t have to cook in fat or clean a mountain of dishes.. that the flavor and proteins and vitamins have no way to escape the protein&#8230; This is exciting&#8230; I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Boxthor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boxthor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My methods are probably wrong in a bunch of ways, but what can I say, I&#039;m a college student and don&#039;t have even the $500 to get the minor of setups.

A while ago I tried the basic principle on something I thought was harmless.

Reheating pizza.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/boxthor/sets/72157603916310808/detail/
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My methods are probably wrong in a bunch of ways, but what can I say, I&#8217;m a college student and don&#8217;t have even the $500 to get the minor of setups.</p>
<p>A while ago I tried the basic principle on something I thought was harmless.</p>
<p>Reheating pizza.</p>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BOUGHT THA BOOK. Thanks Ruhlman.....for the early Christmas gift..
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BOUGHT THA BOOK. Thanks Ruhlman&#8230;..for the early Christmas gift..</p>
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		<title>By: kathleen</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Ruhlman,

As a former Chicagoan that saw you speak with Grant Achatz at the Steppenwolf a couple of years ago, I was pining for tickets to see you at the Astor Center with Chef Keller.  However, I couldn&#039;t seem to come up with 125$.

THANK YOU SO MUCH for coming to the Free Library in Philly, my adoptive hometown.

I&#039;m so thrilled, I can barely breathe!
It&#039;s wonderful of you both!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Ruhlman,</p>
<p>As a former Chicagoan that saw you speak with Grant Achatz at the Steppenwolf a couple of years ago, I was pining for tickets to see you at the Astor Center with Chef Keller.  However, I couldn&#8217;t seem to come up with 125$.</p>
<p>THANK YOU SO MUCH for coming to the Free Library in Philly, my adoptive hometown.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so thrilled, I can barely breathe!<br />
It&#8217;s wonderful of you both!</p>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PROBLEM........! I just realized the probe will not work as intended in the slow cooker.
Because since the protein is immersed in water the probe will be reporting the temperature of the water and not the internal temperature of the protein.
AGAIN another great REASON for BUYING Kellers book with the research. Use the slow cooker as an immersion blender of sorts and probe the protein with your kitchen thermomether until it reaches a safe internal temperature. I have a feeling I can mathematically correct the slow cooker duration to the Keller suggested immersion blender cooking cycle reasonably close. Again this seems doable. A couple of simple experiments will bear this out. All I need is a nice vacuum sealer and Keller&#039;s book.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PROBLEM&#8230;&#8230;..! I just realized the probe will not work as intended in the slow cooker.<br />
Because since the protein is immersed in water the probe will be reporting the temperature of the water and not the internal temperature of the protein.<br />
AGAIN another great REASON for BUYING Kellers book with the research. Use the slow cooker as an immersion blender of sorts and probe the protein with your kitchen thermomether until it reaches a safe internal temperature. I have a feeling I can mathematically correct the slow cooker duration to the Keller suggested immersion blender cooking cycle reasonably close. Again this seems doable. A couple of simple experiments will bear this out. All I need is a nice vacuum sealer and Keller&#8217;s book.</p>
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		<title>By: MessyONE</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark - You&#039;re right. The lowest temperature on this thing is 165 degrees. Well, blast.

There&#039;s also a large black warning box in the instruction book that says:

&quot;Food poisoning hazard. Do not cook food in slow cooker using &quot;Buffet&quot; (that&#039;s the 165) setting or if buF shows on the cooking time display. Doing so can result in food poisoning or sickness.&quot;

Hmmm. That label ranks up there with &quot;Do not iron clothes on body&quot;, right?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark &#8211; You&#8217;re right. The lowest temperature on this thing is 165 degrees. Well, blast.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also a large black warning box in the instruction book that says:</p>
<p>&#8220;Food poisoning hazard. Do not cook food in slow cooker using &#8220;Buffet&#8221; (that&#8217;s the 165) setting or if buF shows on the cooking time display. Doing so can result in food poisoning or sickness.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmmm. That label ranks up there with &#8220;Do not iron clothes on body&#8221;, right?</p>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SWAIN, Thank you for the reminder. I have read about this &quot; cycling the product past the bad tmp zone as quickly as possible&quot;.
I will look further into this key safety process.

Regarding Sous Vide cooking again with a nice caramel thermometer and a dutch oven it can be done perfectly on the stove top. Specially since the cooking times are so short, you can ice down the water if you need to keep lowest temp.
My new Hamilton Beach slow cooker with gasket and probe can bring something to safe internal cooking temp and then alert me. What the actual diff it makes from true immersion blender... my guess is NO DIFF. Anyone here but Ruhlman and Keller might discern. Even then in a blind study my guess is neither would be able to tell the diff. It&#039;s a doable experiment.
The trouble is most cooks and writers of cookbooks are extremelly imprecise and inexact about writing down the exact processes.
Case in point is the brining information that&#039;s out there. The recipes don&#039;t work for the most part producing a very salty product because the brining times given are mostly if not all way way too long. After many months of working on this problem I recently learned a four lb chicken takes 1 hr to brine at recipe sodium concentrations. I achieved the same result by cutting way down on the salt but keeping very long brining times which may not be as safe. Again with the brine... Just making a point of my observations regarding the imprecise cooking information out there.
I think chefs take artistic license and overlook the fine details of the craft. Which is why most of my bookshelf is useless without carefull anotation and improvement of the results.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SWAIN, Thank you for the reminder. I have read about this &#8221; cycling the product past the bad tmp zone as quickly as possible&#8221;.<br />
I will look further into this key safety process.</p>
<p>Regarding Sous Vide cooking again with a nice caramel thermometer and a dutch oven it can be done perfectly on the stove top. Specially since the cooking times are so short, you can ice down the water if you need to keep lowest temp.<br />
My new Hamilton Beach slow cooker with gasket and probe can bring something to safe internal cooking temp and then alert me. What the actual diff it makes from true immersion blender&#8230; my guess is NO DIFF. Anyone here but Ruhlman and Keller might discern. Even then in a blind study my guess is neither would be able to tell the diff. It&#8217;s a doable experiment.<br />
The trouble is most cooks and writers of cookbooks are extremelly imprecise and inexact about writing down the exact processes.<br />
Case in point is the brining information that&#8217;s out there. The recipes don&#8217;t work for the most part producing a very salty product because the brining times given are mostly if not all way way too long. After many months of working on this problem I recently learned a four lb chicken takes 1 hr to brine at recipe sodium concentrations. I achieved the same result by cutting way down on the salt but keeping very long brining times which may not be as safe. Again with the brine&#8230; Just making a point of my observations regarding the imprecise cooking information out there.<br />
I think chefs take artistic license and overlook the fine details of the craft. Which is why most of my bookshelf is useless without carefull anotation and improvement of the results.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Swain</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TJ - TV dinners?  Are you kidding me?  You have obviously not had Sous Vide.  I love the 1950-60&#039;s style (I&#039;ve been watching MadMen lately - great show) but Sous Vide is really a modern invention.  The temp is really everything.  How do you like your filet?  How do you like your pork?  How do you like anything cooked?  The perfect temp is what Sous Vide is all about.

Sous Vide is many things but one thing it&#039;s not is a TV dinner!


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TJ &#8211; TV dinners?  Are you kidding me?  You have obviously not had Sous Vide.  I love the 1950-60&#8217;s style (I&#8217;ve been watching MadMen lately &#8211; great show) but Sous Vide is really a modern invention.  The temp is really everything.  How do you like your filet?  How do you like your pork?  How do you like anything cooked?  The perfect temp is what Sous Vide is all about.</p>
<p>Sous Vide is many things but one thing it&#8217;s not is a TV dinner!</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;SWAIN:::&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
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