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		<title>By: michael ruhlman</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/03/lemon-squares-they-sell-boxed-mixes.html/comment-page-1#comment-32965</link>
		<dc:creator>michael ruhlman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>childhood favorite--you&#039;re the only dissenter out of many who tried.  oh well, trust you weren&#039;t making them for a banquet.
On Sep 29, 2009, at 6:42 PM, typepad@sixapart.com wrote:
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>childhood favorite&#8211;you&#8217;re the only dissenter out of many who tried.  oh well, trust you weren&#8217;t making them for a banquet.<br />
On Sep 29, 2009, at 6:42 PM, <a href="mailto:typepad@sixapart.com">typepad@sixapart.com</a> wrote:</p>
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		<title>By: milo</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/03/lemon-squares-they-sell-boxed-mixes.html/comment-page-1#comment-32961</link>
		<dc:creator>milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This weekend I visited family and they made lemon squares from a boxed mix.

I probably shouldn&#039;t admit it here, but they tasted pretty damn good.  While I&#039;m 100% in favor of cooking from scratch, I wonder how many of the people who go into histrionics over this sort of thing have actually tasted the things they are complaining about?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This weekend I visited family and they made lemon squares from a boxed mix.</p>
<p>I probably shouldn&#8217;t admit it here, but they tasted pretty damn good.  While I&#8217;m 100% in favor of cooking from scratch, I wonder how many of the people who go into histrionics over this sort of thing have actually tasted the things they are complaining about?</p>
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		<title>By: milo</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/03/lemon-squares-they-sell-boxed-mixes.html/comment-page-1#comment-32962</link>
		<dc:creator>milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and the homemade cake I had for my birthday was great...although I dare say that I suspect most people probably couldn&#039;t tell it from a boxed mix in a taste test.

I&#039;ll have to try this recipe at some point when I have time to compare.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and the homemade cake I had for my birthday was great&#8230;although I dare say that I suspect most people probably couldn&#8217;t tell it from a boxed mix in a taste test.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have to try this recipe at some point when I have time to compare.</p>
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		<title>By: Sohbet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sohbet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/03/lemon-squares-they-sell-boxed-mixes.html/comment-page-1#comment-32964</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruhlman, I love you but these cookies were not that great.

I like lemon desserts on the tart side but I think any objective taster would agree, these were far too sweet.

Base tasted like not much (needed salt perhaps) and wasn&#039;t thick enough (9x9 pan) to hold together once cut. Curd burned on the edges before the center had set. Pure hell on earth to get out of the pan at any stage of cooling.

I made no substitutions and know how to do what I&#039;m told; I am a pastry chef. Obviously tastes vary, but this is not a reliable go-to recipe for this cookie.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruhlman, I love you but these cookies were not that great.</p>
<p>I like lemon desserts on the tart side but I think any objective taster would agree, these were far too sweet.</p>
<p>Base tasted like not much (needed salt perhaps) and wasn&#8217;t thick enough (9&#215;9 pan) to hold together once cut. Curd burned on the edges before the center had set. Pure hell on earth to get out of the pan at any stage of cooling.</p>
<p>I made no substitutions and know how to do what I&#8217;m told; I am a pastry chef. Obviously tastes vary, but this is not a reliable go-to recipe for this cookie.</p>
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		<title>By: Vivian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vivian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops my bad! I just remembered that I normally double that brownie recipe so the original recipe has only 18oz of chocolate and not 36oz.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops my bad! I just remembered that I normally double that brownie recipe so the original recipe has only 18oz of chocolate and not 36oz.</p>
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		<title>By: brilynn</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/03/lemon-squares-they-sell-boxed-mixes.html/comment-page-1#comment-32958</link>
		<dc:creator>brilynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a question about the recipe- should the bars be baked at 350F after the curd has been poured on top as well?  That seems high and I worry about making scrambled egg lemon bars...  Otherwise, I plan on giving these a shot.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a question about the recipe- should the bars be baked at 350F after the curd has been poured on top as well?  That seems high and I worry about making scrambled egg lemon bars&#8230;  Otherwise, I plan on giving these a shot.</p>
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		<title>By: Paula</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/03/lemon-squares-they-sell-boxed-mixes.html/comment-page-1#comment-32959</link>
		<dc:creator>Paula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh God.  I love lemon squares.
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		<title>By: The American Homemaker</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/03/lemon-squares-they-sell-boxed-mixes.html/comment-page-1#comment-32960</link>
		<dc:creator>The American Homemaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I LOVE LOVE LOVE cake mixes :)  I use them for all kinds of things, not just cakes.  I&#039;m actually using a cake mix for my lemon bar crust right now.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I LOVE LOVE LOVE cake mixes <img src='http://blog.ruhlman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   I use them for all kinds of things, not just cakes.  I&#8217;m actually using a cake mix for my lemon bar crust right now.</p>
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		<title>By: milo</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/03/lemon-squares-they-sell-boxed-mixes.html/comment-page-1#comment-32956</link>
		<dc:creator>milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to have a homemade cake for my birthday, it&#039;s been a while since I&#039;ve had a scratch one, so will be interesting to compare to the box ones.

Thanks for the tip on the Outrageous Brownies recipe, I&#039;ll definitely have to try it, though I&#039;ll probably cut it in half.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to have a homemade cake for my birthday, it&#8217;s been a while since I&#8217;ve had a scratch one, so will be interesting to compare to the box ones.</p>
<p>Thanks for the tip on the Outrageous Brownies recipe, I&#8217;ll definitely have to try it, though I&#8217;ll probably cut it in half.</p>
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		<title>By: cybercita</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/03/lemon-squares-they-sell-boxed-mixes.html/comment-page-1#comment-32951</link>
		<dc:creator>cybercita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you can&#039;t get five tablespoons of juice from one lemon.  two if you&#039;re lucky.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you can&#8217;t get five tablespoons of juice from one lemon.  two if you&#8217;re lucky.</p>
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		<title>By: Palapala</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/03/lemon-squares-they-sell-boxed-mixes.html/comment-page-1#comment-32952</link>
		<dc:creator>Palapala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Frank,

My &quot;children&quot; are now in their mid- to late- forties, but every time they come home for a visit we make Charlie Brown&#039;s Mother&#039;s Potatoes at least once, for auld lang syne.  What fun to read your note about that cookbook too, and our favorite recipe from it.  I spent years looking through used book stores but finally found a copy for each of my grown children.  Triumph!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Frank,</p>
<p>My &#8220;children&#8221; are now in their mid- to late- forties, but every time they come home for a visit we make Charlie Brown&#8217;s Mother&#8217;s Potatoes at least once, for auld lang syne.  What fun to read your note about that cookbook too, and our favorite recipe from it.  I spent years looking through used book stores but finally found a copy for each of my grown children.  Triumph!</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/03/lemon-squares-they-sell-boxed-mixes.html/comment-page-1#comment-32953</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today, April 2nd. I saw Giada De Laurentiis use a packaged mix for her strawberry mascarpone filled cupcakes. She said, &quot;Just to make things simple&quot;! It didn&#039;t shock me though.. she quite often simplifies things, and she a baker before a cook who intended to enter her culinary world as a pastry chef. To me that&#039;s playing it real!

I am a scratch baker and cook.. but I cheat sometimes and buy &quot;puff pasty&quot; from a box. I love making it from scratch but it is timely, having to wait in between refrigeration&#039;s and folding.. I don&#039;t always have the time.

I think it&#039;s o.k. to once in awhile simplify life..
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, April 2nd. I saw Giada De Laurentiis use a packaged mix for her strawberry mascarpone filled cupcakes. She said, &#8220;Just to make things simple&#8221;! It didn&#8217;t shock me though.. she quite often simplifies things, and she a baker before a cook who intended to enter her culinary world as a pastry chef. To me that&#8217;s playing it real!</p>
<p>I am a scratch baker and cook.. but I cheat sometimes and buy &#8220;puff pasty&#8221; from a box. I love making it from scratch but it is timely, having to wait in between refrigeration&#8217;s and folding.. I don&#8217;t always have the time.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s o.k. to once in awhile simplify life..</p>
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		<title>By: Vivian</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/03/lemon-squares-they-sell-boxed-mixes.html/comment-page-1#comment-32954</link>
		<dc:creator>Vivian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is going out to all those who are sold on the brownies from a box. I used to feel as you do, but that all changed when I first baked Ina Garten&#039;s Outrageous Brownies. They are truly outrageous as described. The recipe contains about 36oz of chocolate and makes an enormous 1/2 sheet pan of brownies. I used to cut the recipe in 1/2 but it has become so popular that I cannot show up a family gathering without a huge amount of them. Trust me these are so worth the effort!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is going out to all those who are sold on the brownies from a box. I used to feel as you do, but that all changed when I first baked Ina Garten&#8217;s Outrageous Brownies. They are truly outrageous as described. The recipe contains about 36oz of chocolate and makes an enormous 1/2 sheet pan of brownies. I used to cut the recipe in 1/2 but it has become so popular that I cannot show up a family gathering without a huge amount of them. Trust me these are so worth the effort!</p>
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		<title>By: Frances</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frances</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the recipe Michael! I made them for my boys yesterday, and they loved them. Plus the recipe is so easy that my older son can make them.

I consulted a conversion chart and a medium lemon has about 3T of juice. So I can see where a large one could yeild 5T.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the recipe Michael! I made them for my boys yesterday, and they loved them. Plus the recipe is so easy that my older son can make them.</p>
<p>I consulted a conversion chart and a medium lemon has about 3T of juice. So I can see where a large one could yeild 5T.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I make many things from scratch - and could make many more if it weren&#039;t for this pesky thing known as work - but we make brownies from a box.  I&#039;ve tried just about every recipe known to mankind plus tinkering around a lot, but still what we like best is box mix + chocolate syrup.  Go figure.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I make many things from scratch &#8211; and could make many more if it weren&#8217;t for this pesky thing known as work &#8211; but we make brownies from a box.  I&#8217;ve tried just about every recipe known to mankind plus tinkering around a lot, but still what we like best is box mix + chocolate syrup.  Go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: Frances</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frances</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m the baker in the house. After crunching some numbers, we determined that we can bake our own bread for less than half the cost of store-bought. No bread machine, no fancy artisan bread, just plain old whole wheat that my kids will eat. The dough hook is attached to that genious gadget called my hand. Who brings a bag of Arnold&#039;s bread home, and has the family hovering around waiting for a slice of it?

As for cakes from scratch versus ones from a box, yes there is a difference. It&#039;s like the difference between store brand white bread and homemade. I will warrant that if you can&#039;t tell the difference, then maybe the extra effort is wasted? Seriously.

There is a certain amount of pride and sense of accomplishment that only great effort (and good results) can provide. My son came home from school one day and asked if I could bake a cake for his class Valentine&#039;s party. He said he told his teacher that I made a pretty good cake. Made me feel good and I was a little surprised that he already knew the power of flattery. Ten-year-old boys are often very lacking in the compliments department. The baking thing is kind of my &quot;in&quot; with him. And he&#039;s showing an interest in it himself.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the baker in the house. After crunching some numbers, we determined that we can bake our own bread for less than half the cost of store-bought. No bread machine, no fancy artisan bread, just plain old whole wheat that my kids will eat. The dough hook is attached to that genious gadget called my hand. Who brings a bag of Arnold&#8217;s bread home, and has the family hovering around waiting for a slice of it?</p>
<p>As for cakes from scratch versus ones from a box, yes there is a difference. It&#8217;s like the difference between store brand white bread and homemade. I will warrant that if you can&#8217;t tell the difference, then maybe the extra effort is wasted? Seriously.</p>
<p>There is a certain amount of pride and sense of accomplishment that only great effort (and good results) can provide. My son came home from school one day and asked if I could bake a cake for his class Valentine&#8217;s party. He said he told his teacher that I made a pretty good cake. Made me feel good and I was a little surprised that he already knew the power of flattery. Ten-year-old boys are often very lacking in the compliments department. The baking thing is kind of my &#8220;in&#8221; with him. And he&#8217;s showing an interest in it himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Salvo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Salvo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boxed mixes are to food what sitcoms are to TV. They&#039;re both dumbing us down big time.

Being a member of the cult of butter and sugar (i.e. a pastry cook), I see the most heinous of food crimes: emulsified shortening (&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/cd6d4h&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/cd6d4h&lt;/a&gt; ). This stuff doesn&#039;t melt until it&#039;s heated well above body temp, which means it&#039;ll coat your tongue for a while, making tasting anything else impossible until it finally dissolves chemically, but the worst part is that people have eaten so many cakes made with this stuff that when they get a cake made from all butter, they don&#039;t like it.

And don&#039;t even get me started on buttercream made with butter vs. the Crisco and sugar we get in the supermarket.

I will, however, forgive people like my wife who just despise cooking. If she makes a cake out of a box it&#039;s a very special day, but in those rare cases it&#039;s the fact that she made anything that makes it special not the cake.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boxed mixes are to food what sitcoms are to TV. They&#8217;re both dumbing us down big time.</p>
<p>Being a member of the cult of butter and sugar (i.e. a pastry cook), I see the most heinous of food crimes: emulsified shortening (<a href="http://tinyurl.com/cd6d4h" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/cd6d4h</a> ). This stuff doesn&#8217;t melt until it&#8217;s heated well above body temp, which means it&#8217;ll coat your tongue for a while, making tasting anything else impossible until it finally dissolves chemically, but the worst part is that people have eaten so many cakes made with this stuff that when they get a cake made from all butter, they don&#8217;t like it.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t even get me started on buttercream made with butter vs. the Crisco and sugar we get in the supermarket.</p>
<p>I will, however, forgive people like my wife who just despise cooking. If she makes a cake out of a box it&#8217;s a very special day, but in those rare cases it&#8217;s the fact that she made anything that makes it special not the cake.</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie Sztern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalie Sztern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Milo i don&#039;t know the name but it sits in the baking aisle, pretty sure it is on the top shelf  LOL
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		<title>By: Paul Kobulnicky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Kobulnicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lemon squares from scratch ... yes.But cakes? My wife is a great dessert baker and you can always tell her homemade cake vs her box cakes (no matter how well doctored). The homemade crumb is always coarser. She says that box cake mixes, like commercial cake mix the bakeries use, have fats very finely mixed in with the flour ... to a fineness that you cannot duplicate at home. I think she is right. Try an experiment. Try a white or yellow cake from scratch (even with cake flour) vs the cheapest box mix. The box mix makes a finer and drier crumb cake. The homemade is coarser and kinda greasy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lemon squares from scratch &#8230; yes.But cakes? My wife is a great dessert baker and you can always tell her homemade cake vs her box cakes (no matter how well doctored). The homemade crumb is always coarser. She says that box cake mixes, like commercial cake mix the bakeries use, have fats very finely mixed in with the flour &#8230; to a fineness that you cannot duplicate at home. I think she is right. Try an experiment. Try a white or yellow cake from scratch (even with cake flour) vs the cheapest box mix. The box mix makes a finer and drier crumb cake. The homemade is coarser and kinda greasy.</p>
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