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	<title>Comments on: Dough and Batter Ratios (the chart!)</title>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/04/dough-and-batter-ratios-the-chart.html/comment-page-1#comment-32613</link>
		<dc:creator>luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, you make no sense at all. The whole issue of understanding the ratios that make bread or pasta or fritters... have nothing to do with your own personal creative juices. Are you suggesting you will use a bread ratio to make a pasta???????
RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, you make no sense at all. The whole issue of understanding the ratios that make bread or pasta or fritters&#8230; have nothing to do with your own personal creative juices. Are you suggesting you will use a bread ratio to make a pasta???????<br />
RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, how would you adjust the bread ratio to make a sweeter dough for cinnamon rolls?  I&#039;d imagine you&#039;d want to increase the sugar slightly, and increase the salt slightly to keep the yeast from eating all the sugar, but I don&#039;t know how much.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, how would you adjust the bread ratio to make a sweeter dough for cinnamon rolls?  I&#8217;d imagine you&#8217;d want to increase the sugar slightly, and increase the salt slightly to keep the yeast from eating all the sugar, but I don&#8217;t know how much.</p>
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		<title>By: cheflaszlo</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/04/dough-and-batter-ratios-the-chart.html/comment-page-1#comment-32615</link>
		<dc:creator>cheflaszlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my comment is gone? why?
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/04/dough-and-batter-ratios-the-chart.html/comment-page-1#comment-32616</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you mentioned Tufte.. I think he has 4 books out..


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you mentioned Tufte.. I think he has 4 books out..</p>
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		<title>By: tammy</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/04/dough-and-batter-ratios-the-chart.html/comment-page-1#comment-32617</link>
		<dc:creator>tammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s grossly unethical that you requested on Twitter that people post positive reveiws on Amazon to counter a negative one. Have you no ethics?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s grossly unethical that you requested on Twitter that people post positive reveiws on Amazon to counter a negative one. Have you no ethics?</p>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/04/dough-and-batter-ratios-the-chart.html/comment-page-1#comment-32618</link>
		<dc:creator>luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Donna for the poster. It comes encased in plastic with a hard back on it. I could mat it and find a fancy frame for it... but I may just find a way to hang it as it is with the new attaching technologies available. I love my Tiny Taylor scale but its not nearly as impressive as the digital KD7000 scale... anyway This is how I cook from now on. RATIO is a very inspiring spirit lifting concept and puts the emphasis on creating FLAVOR not batters and doughs...and recipes.
Great Job all...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Donna for the poster. It comes encased in plastic with a hard back on it. I could mat it and find a fancy frame for it&#8230; but I may just find a way to hang it as it is with the new attaching technologies available. I love my Tiny Taylor scale but its not nearly as impressive as the digital KD7000 scale&#8230; anyway This is how I cook from now on. RATIO is a very inspiring spirit lifting concept and puts the emphasis on creating FLAVOR not batters and doughs&#8230;and recipes.<br />
Great Job all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/04/dough-and-batter-ratios-the-chart.html/comment-page-1#comment-32619</link>
		<dc:creator>luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a beautiful poster so I will look to frame it... I don&#039;t think it needs matting but...if the frame and the matt come together... who knows... As long as it doesnt&#039;t detract from my very own autographed copy... is no biggy...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a beautiful poster so I will look to frame it&#8230; I don&#8217;t think it needs matting but&#8230;if the frame and the matt come together&#8230; who knows&#8230; As long as it doesnt&#8217;t detract from my very own autographed copy&#8230; is no biggy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the egg in the ratio 1 each or 1 part (cup)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the egg in the ratio 1 each or 1 part (cup)</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am interested in the poster. Have you converted it to PDF yet? Thanks for the great resource!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am interested in the poster. Have you converted it to PDF yet? Thanks for the great resource!</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaawww. Orders are closed and I just discovered this. Hope the PDF&#039;s up soon. Pretty please and thank you.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaawww. Orders are closed and I just discovered this. Hope the PDF&#8217;s up soon. Pretty please and thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: 19thandfolsom</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/04/dough-and-batter-ratios-the-chart.html/comment-page-1#comment-32612</link>
		<dc:creator>19thandfolsom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Jazz musicians have all the notes in the world. Good jazz comes from how the notes are combined. The classical cellist only has the notes on the pages, but the great performance comes from interpretation and technique. Both require an intimate understanding, passion, and a certain touch.&lt;/em&gt;

Whoa, that&#039;s a lovely metaphor, j!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Jazz musicians have all the notes in the world. Good jazz comes from how the notes are combined. The classical cellist only has the notes on the pages, but the great performance comes from interpretation and technique. Both require an intimate understanding, passion, and a certain touch.</em></p>
<p>Whoa, that&#8217;s a lovely metaphor, j!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just got the book and was bummed.  I was hoping for charts like this I could use on a cork board.  I&#039;m intensely curious about this launching a whole new way of thinking about cooking.

I just spent the weekend making  6 batches of biscuits for Easter breakfast. The whole time anticipating receiving this book and wishing my recipes were in weights and not volumetric measures. I noticed how a wetter batch ended up more dense than a drier batch that rose more and was more flaky.

My dough had sugar in it, and the sweetness was nice.  It looks like Ruhlman&#039;s does not.  So now I&#039;m thinking I don&#039;t want Ruhlman charts at all.  I want a blank page.  I want my own chart.  These ratios are a springboard from which so much understanding can be realized through experimentation.  The end result is real knowledge and a recipe that&#039;s decidedly all your own.  This is really exciting stuff
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got the book and was bummed.  I was hoping for charts like this I could use on a cork board.  I&#8217;m intensely curious about this launching a whole new way of thinking about cooking.</p>
<p>I just spent the weekend making  6 batches of biscuits for Easter breakfast. The whole time anticipating receiving this book and wishing my recipes were in weights and not volumetric measures. I noticed how a wetter batch ended up more dense than a drier batch that rose more and was more flaky.</p>
<p>My dough had sugar in it, and the sweetness was nice.  It looks like Ruhlman&#8217;s does not.  So now I&#8217;m thinking I don&#8217;t want Ruhlman charts at all.  I want a blank page.  I want my own chart.  These ratios are a springboard from which so much understanding can be realized through experimentation.  The end result is real knowledge and a recipe that&#8217;s decidedly all your own.  This is really exciting stuff</p>
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		<title>By: MelissaD</title>
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		<dc:creator>MelissaD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just thought you&#039;d like to see a nice mention of &quot;Ratio&quot; on a baking blog  :)

http://twosistersbakes.blogspot.com/

Not affiliated - just an avid baker and reader of blogs.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just thought you&#8217;d like to see a nice mention of &#8220;Ratio&#8221; on a baking blog  <img src='http://blog.ruhlman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://twosistersbakes.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://twosistersbakes.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>Not affiliated &#8211; just an avid baker and reader of blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie Fox</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/04/dough-and-batter-ratios-the-chart.html/comment-page-1#comment-32610</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just got my signed copy of &quot;Ratio&quot;, thank you very much.  I just love it, thank you, thank you, thank you for writing this book. You have given real &quot;power&quot; to the home cook.  I am especially grateful for the chapters on stock.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got my signed copy of &#8220;Ratio&#8221;, thank you very much.  I just love it, thank you, thank you, thank you for writing this book. You have given real &#8220;power&#8221; to the home cook.  I am especially grateful for the chapters on stock.</p>
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		<title>By: Spencer Kormos</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/04/dough-and-batter-ratios-the-chart.html/comment-page-1#comment-32608</link>
		<dc:creator>Spencer Kormos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought &quot;Ratio&quot; yesterday, and my very analytical mind is turning over the possibilities the more I get through it. It&#039;s an excellent work, and too long in arriving! Great job.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought &#8220;Ratio&#8221; yesterday, and my very analytical mind is turning over the possibilities the more I get through it. It&#8217;s an excellent work, and too long in arriving! Great job.</p>
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		<title>By: Offalboy</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/04/dough-and-batter-ratios-the-chart.html/comment-page-1#comment-32606</link>
		<dc:creator>Offalboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm guess like i messed up my comment and it didn&#039;t stick.

Anyways, would you send it to Sweden for some extra $?

/Patrik
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm guess like i messed up my comment and it didn&#8217;t stick.</p>
<p>Anyways, would you send it to Sweden for some extra $?</p>
<p>/Patrik</p>
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		<title>By: j</title>
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		<dc:creator>j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean and Ruhlman:

I&#039;m subbing classical cellist for classical pianist.

As a professional baker, I&#039;m glad to be compared to a classical concert pianist.  Too many times has my profession been compared to science, making it sound like it&#039;s strict and by the numbers, which isn&#039;t true of baking or science.

The culinary chef is much like a jazz musician.  Take chicken soup.  What defines chicken soup?  Chicken and some liquid.  It can be cream, broth, water, wine, vinegar, etc... The chicken can be cubed, shredded, chunked.  Hundreds of vegetable and seasoning combinations.  Heck, I&#039;m sure some molecular-gastro chef has taken the essence of chicken soup, gelatinized it, cubed it, put it in a ravioli, and called it inside out chicken noodle soup.

As a baker though, my ingredients are water, flour, yeast, salt.  A cellist has four strings and a bow.  What I do is defined by understanding, treatment, and technique, much like a classical cellist.  We are both restricted.  He can&#039;t play Bartok like Glass.   I can&#039;t make a baguette like brioche.  Take Yo Yo Ma&#039;s Bach&#039;s Suites (I know, they&#039;re almost cliche) - his performance can move people, all with four strings and a bow.  He&#039;s not just reading notes off a page, he&#039;s adding his own interpretation.  It&#039;s not rote.  He adds depth and character.  Now take a classic baguette formula.  Give it to two baker&#039;s.  You&#039;ll get different loaves because of different interpretations.  But!  Unlike two chefs&#039; chicken soups, the two baguettes will look like a baguette, have a thin, crisp crusty, and an nice open crumb.

Jazz musicians have all the notes in the world.  Good jazz comes from how the notes are combined.  The classical cellist only has the notes on the pages, but the great performance comes from interpretation and technique.  Both require an intimate understanding, passion, and a certain touch.  And I don&#039;t think anyone would argue that Wynton Marsalis is a better musician than Yo Yo Ma, nor vice versa.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean and Ruhlman:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m subbing classical cellist for classical pianist.</p>
<p>As a professional baker, I&#8217;m glad to be compared to a classical concert pianist.  Too many times has my profession been compared to science, making it sound like it&#8217;s strict and by the numbers, which isn&#8217;t true of baking or science.</p>
<p>The culinary chef is much like a jazz musician.  Take chicken soup.  What defines chicken soup?  Chicken and some liquid.  It can be cream, broth, water, wine, vinegar, etc&#8230; The chicken can be cubed, shredded, chunked.  Hundreds of vegetable and seasoning combinations.  Heck, I&#8217;m sure some molecular-gastro chef has taken the essence of chicken soup, gelatinized it, cubed it, put it in a ravioli, and called it inside out chicken noodle soup.</p>
<p>As a baker though, my ingredients are water, flour, yeast, salt.  A cellist has four strings and a bow.  What I do is defined by understanding, treatment, and technique, much like a classical cellist.  We are both restricted.  He can&#8217;t play Bartok like Glass.   I can&#8217;t make a baguette like brioche.  Take Yo Yo Ma&#8217;s Bach&#8217;s Suites (I know, they&#8217;re almost cliche) &#8211; his performance can move people, all with four strings and a bow.  He&#8217;s not just reading notes off a page, he&#8217;s adding his own interpretation.  It&#8217;s not rote.  He adds depth and character.  Now take a classic baguette formula.  Give it to two baker&#8217;s.  You&#8217;ll get different loaves because of different interpretations.  But!  Unlike two chefs&#8217; chicken soups, the two baguettes will look like a baguette, have a thin, crisp crusty, and an nice open crumb.</p>
<p>Jazz musicians have all the notes in the world.  Good jazz comes from how the notes are combined.  The classical cellist only has the notes on the pages, but the great performance comes from interpretation and technique.  Both require an intimate understanding, passion, and a certain touch.  And I don&#8217;t think anyone would argue that Wynton Marsalis is a better musician than Yo Yo Ma, nor vice versa.</p>
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		<title>By: dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>love you! thank you!!!!!
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		<title>By: sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;ve read this baker/cook breakdown before and i categorically disagree with it.

i actually find it frustrating that someone of your caliber would reduce it to this pejorative dichotomy of &quot;jazz musician&quot; vs. &quot;classical concert pianist&quot;, as if the two were mutually exclusive.

there are rote aspects of both types of cooking.  there can be enjoyment taken from the precision of cooking (as you do mention in your writing), but there is always room for improvisation.  the same thing goes for cooking.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ve read this baker/cook breakdown before and i categorically disagree with it.</p>
<p>i actually find it frustrating that someone of your caliber would reduce it to this pejorative dichotomy of &#8220;jazz musician&#8221; vs. &#8220;classical concert pianist&#8221;, as if the two were mutually exclusive.</p>
<p>there are rote aspects of both types of cooking.  there can be enjoyment taken from the precision of cooking (as you do mention in your writing), but there is always room for improvisation.  the same thing goes for cooking.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rather than a periodic time table, it&#039;s so much cooler to hang your poster instead. Thanks for the great breakdown on baking.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rather than a periodic time table, it&#8217;s so much cooler to hang your poster instead. Thanks for the great breakdown on baking.</p>
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