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		<title>By: Melissa Hebert Meola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa Hebert Meola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I don&#039;t like about the Cheesecake Factories is all the different kind of cheesecakes.

Cheesecake is a beautiful thing, and CF smothers it in over-gilding. The smooth, creamy, tangy goodness of cheesecake is lost under all that caramel, Oreos, over-sweet glazes, chocolate, nuts, etc.

This may be heresy, but chocolate and cheesecake don&#039;t work well together. The flavors bring out the worst in each other.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I don&#8217;t like about the Cheesecake Factories is all the different kind of cheesecakes.</p>
<p>Cheesecake is a beautiful thing, and CF smothers it in over-gilding. The smooth, creamy, tangy goodness of cheesecake is lost under all that caramel, Oreos, over-sweet glazes, chocolate, nuts, etc.</p>
<p>This may be heresy, but chocolate and cheesecake don&#8217;t work well together. The flavors bring out the worst in each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Kanani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kanani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know why you felt bad. It&#039;s over the top. There&#039;s too much. And I have the feeling that people leave CF having downed their food and not really having a memorable experience.

When I was a kid, my parents would take us to a Basque restaurant. They didn&#039;t offer very many dishes, but I always got the most delicious farm-raised lamb with in-season vegetables. It wasn&#039;t anything special, but the taste was amazing. So much so, that I remember it to this day.

And that&#039;s why I think some dining experiences leave one feeling empty. It&#039;s because they try to do too much, instead of focusing on something simple and special.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know why you felt bad. It&#8217;s over the top. There&#8217;s too much. And I have the feeling that people leave CF having downed their food and not really having a memorable experience.</p>
<p>When I was a kid, my parents would take us to a Basque restaurant. They didn&#8217;t offer very many dishes, but I always got the most delicious farm-raised lamb with in-season vegetables. It wasn&#8217;t anything special, but the taste was amazing. So much so, that I remember it to this day.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s why I think some dining experiences leave one feeling empty. It&#8217;s because they try to do too much, instead of focusing on something simple and special.</p>
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		<title>By: Tara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not reading through all 126 comments, so forgive me if I repeat something that&#039;s already been noted, but CF has great salads (the 1,000 calorie variety) and their Thai Lettuce Wraps are fun, interactive eating.

As a chef of a popular, fine dining establishment, I have to admit that CF is a guilty pleasure.  The food is tasty and usually doesn&#039;t disappoint.  The vinaigrettes and sauces may not blow your mind, and I often wonder what third world country they are actually produced and shipped from.  But CF delivers a consistent product.  I&#039;ve been to CFs in a few states (not often, but it&#039;s an easy go-to restaurant for the family) and the lettuce wraps taste the same everywhere.

I can say from personal experience that producing a consistent product each night for the multitudes (my restaurant does 400 on weeknights, 8-900 on weekends) IS the challenge of my job.  Cheesecake must have some corporate kitchen and shipping methods because there is not training on earth that could produce that kind of consistency for those kinds of numbers!

Love your blog, BTW.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not reading through all 126 comments, so forgive me if I repeat something that&#8217;s already been noted, but CF has great salads (the 1,000 calorie variety) and their Thai Lettuce Wraps are fun, interactive eating.</p>
<p>As a chef of a popular, fine dining establishment, I have to admit that CF is a guilty pleasure.  The food is tasty and usually doesn&#8217;t disappoint.  The vinaigrettes and sauces may not blow your mind, and I often wonder what third world country they are actually produced and shipped from.  But CF delivers a consistent product.  I&#8217;ve been to CFs in a few states (not often, but it&#8217;s an easy go-to restaurant for the family) and the lettuce wraps taste the same everywhere.</p>
<p>I can say from personal experience that producing a consistent product each night for the multitudes (my restaurant does 400 on weeknights, 8-900 on weekends) IS the challenge of my job.  Cheesecake must have some corporate kitchen and shipping methods because there is not training on earth that could produce that kind of consistency for those kinds of numbers!</p>
<p>Love your blog, BTW.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is insipid your favorite word?
Don&#039;t got to a chain restaurant with &quot;Factory&quot; in the name and expect gourmet food, idiot.  Also, your snobbish insouciant disdain for what the general public likes pisses me off for some reason.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is insipid your favorite word?<br />
Don&#8217;t got to a chain restaurant with &#8220;Factory&#8221; in the name and expect gourmet food, idiot.  Also, your snobbish insouciant disdain for what the general public likes pisses me off for some reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to culinary school with a guy who was paying his way with a stint at CF. He said the restaurant has it&#039;s own handful of mother sauces, which are responsible for the tens of sauces on the menu. Chicken is usually pounded flat, so that it covers more of the plate and you think you&#039;ve got a ton of food when you really don&#039;t. I haven&#039;t been to a CF in years.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to culinary school with a guy who was paying his way with a stint at CF. He said the restaurant has it&#8217;s own handful of mother sauces, which are responsible for the tens of sauces on the menu. Chicken is usually pounded flat, so that it covers more of the plate and you think you&#8217;ve got a ton of food when you really don&#8217;t. I haven&#8217;t been to a CF in years.</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never wanna go to CF.

By the way - a handy hint to anyone out there interviewing for a restaurant job:  If the prospective boss asks you &quot;what&#039;s your favorite restaurant&quot; DO NOT gleefully answer &quot;The Cheesecake Factory!&quot;

Maybe I&#039;m being an ass... but those resumes always go immediately into the &quot;do not hire&quot; pile.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never wanna go to CF.</p>
<p>By the way &#8211; a handy hint to anyone out there interviewing for a restaurant job:  If the prospective boss asks you &#8220;what&#8217;s your favorite restaurant&#8221; DO NOT gleefully answer &#8220;The Cheesecake Factory!&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m being an ass&#8230; but those resumes always go immediately into the &#8220;do not hire&#8221; pile.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with the commenter who said that CF is much better than the other chains.  As someone who prefers non-chain restaurants, I still enjoy CF whenever I go there, which is maybe once a year.  I love the deep-fried avocado spring rolls.  They&#039;re delicious.  I like the portions, too, because I can take some home for lunch the next day.  I don&#039;t care for the cheesecake, as I like my onw home baked ones.  But I&#039;ve had plenty of bad meals in local restaurants from chefs looking for fame and fortune.  Hi-Life in Fort Lauderdale was one. Awful food.  Now that was a sad experience, and over-priced.  Another superb chain, though small, is Seasons 52.  I always have excellent food there, great value, and excellent service.  I don&#039;t go to any other chains if I can help it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with the commenter who said that CF is much better than the other chains.  As someone who prefers non-chain restaurants, I still enjoy CF whenever I go there, which is maybe once a year.  I love the deep-fried avocado spring rolls.  They&#8217;re delicious.  I like the portions, too, because I can take some home for lunch the next day.  I don&#8217;t care for the cheesecake, as I like my onw home baked ones.  But I&#8217;ve had plenty of bad meals in local restaurants from chefs looking for fame and fortune.  Hi-Life in Fort Lauderdale was one. Awful food.  Now that was a sad experience, and over-priced.  Another superb chain, though small, is Seasons 52.  I always have excellent food there, great value, and excellent service.  I don&#8217;t go to any other chains if I can help it.</p>
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		<title>By: ntsc</title>
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		<dc:creator>ntsc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howard Johnsons

Jacques Pepin

1960s
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		<title>By: Lorrie@ReadNEat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorrie@ReadNEat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think many people are drawn to chain restaurants, simply because they do not know the difference. For example, my sister spends her grocery dollars at Trader Joe&#039;s and Whole Foods, yet thinks farmer&#039;s markets are a novelty and dines often at both Olive Garden and CF. It is as though huge disconnect has come to exist between the concepts of healthy food and the realities of healthy food choices.

Due to genius corporate advertising, Trader Joe&#039;s and Whole Foods have become &quot;hip&quot;, and many, such as my sister, will shop there simply because it is what all her friends are doing. In other words, it has become mainstream, with little thought going into why buying organic food is important, other than to get the trendy reusable shopping totes. Many shoppers do not care about what &quot;organic&quot; means, other than it is a buzz word of the moment.

As previous commenter noted, CF has such a large menu, because it is targeting the mainstream population. The corporation cares about little else than the bottom line. And, the sad reality is that the same people who spend their grocery dollars at Whole Foods are spending their dining dollars at CF. Corporate food has created a mirage. People are drawn to it, because they do not know the difference.

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a matter of being a food snob,Mr. Ruhlman. I think it&#039;s a matter of making educated food choices, and being in touch with where/how our food is produced and the manner in which we consume it.  The sadness you describe could be the result of this disconnect.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think many people are drawn to chain restaurants, simply because they do not know the difference. For example, my sister spends her grocery dollars at Trader Joe&#8217;s and Whole Foods, yet thinks farmer&#8217;s markets are a novelty and dines often at both Olive Garden and CF. It is as though huge disconnect has come to exist between the concepts of healthy food and the realities of healthy food choices.</p>
<p>Due to genius corporate advertising, Trader Joe&#8217;s and Whole Foods have become &#8220;hip&#8221;, and many, such as my sister, will shop there simply because it is what all her friends are doing. In other words, it has become mainstream, with little thought going into why buying organic food is important, other than to get the trendy reusable shopping totes. Many shoppers do not care about what &#8220;organic&#8221; means, other than it is a buzz word of the moment.</p>
<p>As previous commenter noted, CF has such a large menu, because it is targeting the mainstream population. The corporation cares about little else than the bottom line. And, the sad reality is that the same people who spend their grocery dollars at Whole Foods are spending their dining dollars at CF. Corporate food has created a mirage. People are drawn to it, because they do not know the difference.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a matter of being a food snob,Mr. Ruhlman. I think it&#8217;s a matter of making educated food choices, and being in touch with where/how our food is produced and the manner in which we consume it.  The sadness you describe could be the result of this disconnect.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. I think you were left feeling sad because it shows an underlying laziness pervading the nation. People like this sort of food because its offers a faux experience of  diversity without being bad enough that they have to go else where yet being just &quot;good&quot; enough so that it will do. The gastronomical equivalent to the French section of Epcot  Center or the Eiffel Tower in Las Vegas. Very safe and even when done &quot;right&quot; done without any sort of panache.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. I think you were left feeling sad because it shows an underlying laziness pervading the nation. People like this sort of food because its offers a faux experience of  diversity without being bad enough that they have to go else where yet being just &#8220;good&#8221; enough so that it will do. The gastronomical equivalent to the French section of Epcot  Center or the Eiffel Tower in Las Vegas. Very safe and even when done &#8220;right&#8221; done without any sort of panache.</p>
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		<title>By: Tags</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not hard to see why this topic has such sturdy legs and stamina. The food one is served is closely tied to one&#039;s ego. The benchmark for how much a host respects somebody is how much trouble this host takes to assure that the guest&#039;s food is satisfactory.

I strongly suspect that the best diet would be to first travel to Kyoto or Osaka and eat the very best foods lovingly and assiduously prepared, then return home where everything placed before you seems like an affront to your very dignity.

What inspired this idea was reading MFK Fisher&#039;s introduction to Shizuo Tsuji&#039;s &quot;Japanese Cooking, A Simple Art,&quot; which also includes this eloquent quote from New York Magazine&#039;s Alan Rich;

&quot;by the time shoddiness becomes sufficiently visible...its roots have penetrated deeply.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not hard to see why this topic has such sturdy legs and stamina. The food one is served is closely tied to one&#8217;s ego. The benchmark for how much a host respects somebody is how much trouble this host takes to assure that the guest&#8217;s food is satisfactory.</p>
<p>I strongly suspect that the best diet would be to first travel to Kyoto or Osaka and eat the very best foods lovingly and assiduously prepared, then return home where everything placed before you seems like an affront to your very dignity.</p>
<p>What inspired this idea was reading MFK Fisher&#8217;s introduction to Shizuo Tsuji&#8217;s &#8220;Japanese Cooking, A Simple Art,&#8221; which also includes this eloquent quote from New York Magazine&#8217;s Alan Rich;</p>
<p>&#8220;by the time shoddiness becomes sufficiently visible&#8230;its roots have penetrated deeply.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a sad indication that this chain of food establishments is what mainstream America considers decent food.  I must interject that this is more than one step backwards in our nations culinary growth.  As most Chefs would agree, we as a whole have pretty iron clad stomachs, we kitchen folk can tend to eat anything (and do), but three out of four visits to the CF since the mid 90&#039;s have left me &#039;hugging the bucket&#039; and vowing never to return.  Have not been back since &#039;01.  You are a better man than I for accepting the challenge.  There are far too many food establishments in this world to try to accept sub par chains like CF.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a sad indication that this chain of food establishments is what mainstream America considers decent food.  I must interject that this is more than one step backwards in our nations culinary growth.  As most Chefs would agree, we as a whole have pretty iron clad stomachs, we kitchen folk can tend to eat anything (and do), but three out of four visits to the CF since the mid 90&#8217;s have left me &#8216;hugging the bucket&#8217; and vowing never to return.  Have not been back since &#8216;01.  You are a better man than I for accepting the challenge.  There are far too many food establishments in this world to try to accept sub par chains like CF.</p>
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		<title>By: cybercita</title>
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		<dc:creator>cybercita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one of my friends moved to florida a few years ago.  she wanted to take me someplace nice for dinner, so we went to the cheesecake factory.  i&#039;m still teasing her about that one.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one of my friends moved to florida a few years ago.  she wanted to take me someplace nice for dinner, so we went to the cheesecake factory.  i&#8217;m still teasing her about that one.</p>
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		<title>By: comcast plus</title>
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		<dc:creator>comcast plus</dc:creator>
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		<description>Michael, you have done a noble service for us:  eating there so we don&#039;t have to.  I thought the division of food and atompshere was a good distinction.  At many chains, the food really isn&#039;t that bad.   Certainly, many survive on that &quot;melting some cheese on this can only make it better!&quot;,  but many offer good food, sometimes consistently, sometimes buried among the garbage.

But the thing I find about chains (and yes, I live in this country and I&#039;m forced to eat at some sometimes as well) is the soul-crushing sameness and schlok.   CF is the worst offender among them, but certainly not the only one.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, you have done a noble service for us:  eating there so we don&#8217;t have to.  I thought the division of food and atompshere was a good distinction.  At many chains, the food really isn&#8217;t that bad.   Certainly, many survive on that &#8220;melting some cheese on this can only make it better!&#8221;,  but many offer good food, sometimes consistently, sometimes buried among the garbage.</p>
<p>But the thing I find about chains (and yes, I live in this country and I&#8217;m forced to eat at some sometimes as well) is the soul-crushing sameness and schlok.   CF is the worst offender among them, but certainly not the only one.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have been a few times that I&#039;ve eaten at CF - mostly because I hate to rock the boat when friends want to go and they seem so enthusiastic about the place. My ears perked up to hear that there might be a dish or two that&#039;s not too terrible and it&#039;s good to tuck that info away in case I have to go there again. However, my big mistake was looking up the nutritional info on the dishes in the post. The pasta carbonara - over 2,000 calories, 81 sat fat, and 1.2 Gms sodium. The salmon - nearly 2000 calories and over 2 Gms of sodium. Crispy beef - over 1500 calories and a whopping 3 Gms of sodium! I had to stop looking at more dishes - it&#039;s too depressing. I don&#039;t mind blowing my diet for food that&#039;s good, but for anything on the CF menu?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been a few times that I&#8217;ve eaten at CF &#8211; mostly because I hate to rock the boat when friends want to go and they seem so enthusiastic about the place. My ears perked up to hear that there might be a dish or two that&#8217;s not too terrible and it&#8217;s good to tuck that info away in case I have to go there again. However, my big mistake was looking up the nutritional info on the dishes in the post. The pasta carbonara &#8211; over 2,000 calories, 81 sat fat, and 1.2 Gms sodium. The salmon &#8211; nearly 2000 calories and over 2 Gms of sodium. Crispy beef &#8211; over 1500 calories and a whopping 3 Gms of sodium! I had to stop looking at more dishes &#8211; it&#8217;s too depressing. I don&#8217;t mind blowing my diet for food that&#8217;s good, but for anything on the CF menu?</p>
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		<title>By: lb</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/07/cheesecake-factory-the-alexander-challenge.html/comment-page-1#comment-31134</link>
		<dc:creator>lb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;was it simply unexplored snobbery?&quot;

Yes.  Lots of people are guilty of it, and it&#039;s not that horrible a failing if you own up to it.  Which, by the way, you didn&#039;t.

That&#039;s why you feel sad.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;was it simply unexplored snobbery?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes.  Lots of people are guilty of it, and it&#8217;s not that horrible a failing if you own up to it.  Which, by the way, you didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why you feel sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/07/cheesecake-factory-the-alexander-challenge.html/comment-page-1#comment-31135</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been to CF (the one in Legacy Village/OH): Once. Never again. First, if you make a reservation for 5, and only 4 people are standing there, they put your group at the back of the line.

The wait staff took forever, never got the drinks right, then never stopped back to refill them.

The cheesecake was not that great, not enough to put up with the headache.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been to CF (the one in Legacy Village/OH): Once. Never again. First, if you make a reservation for 5, and only 4 people are standing there, they put your group at the back of the line.</p>
<p>The wait staff took forever, never got the drinks right, then never stopped back to refill them.</p>
<p>The cheesecake was not that great, not enough to put up with the headache.</p>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/07/cheesecake-factory-the-alexander-challenge.html/comment-page-1#comment-31129</link>
		<dc:creator>luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, Sarah this is why I think most food in other countries unless freshly catched is mostly stews, roasts, soups and braises. You know methods that are guaranteed to kill bacteria. The quality control here in the US is what enables some to the crudo,tar tar, rare undercooked thing...
I guarantee you that one wild ride on the porcelain throne will cure most anyone from this elitist palate malfunction.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, Sarah this is why I think most food in other countries unless freshly catched is mostly stews, roasts, soups and braises. You know methods that are guaranteed to kill bacteria. The quality control here in the US is what enables some to the crudo,tar tar, rare undercooked thing&#8230;<br />
I guarantee you that one wild ride on the porcelain throne will cure most anyone from this elitist palate malfunction.</p>
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		<title>By: Lamar</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/07/cheesecake-factory-the-alexander-challenge.html/comment-page-1#comment-31128</link>
		<dc:creator>Lamar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don&#039;t mind big business, in fact I have no ill will toward &quot;big oil&quot; or &quot;big tobacco&quot; or what have you.  At the end of the day they simply have to provide people what they want (or convince them they want it).

It&#039;s what people seem to be wanting that bothers me.  I run a family bakery, and we work very, very hard to make products that are truly something special.  What spooks me lately is that only people over the age of 50 or so seem to really appreciate the stuff.  Most people younger than 40 seem to have been fed so much insane crap growing up that their taste buds are pretty much useless (they can detect very salty, very sweet, and not much else).

Our business is embarking on a campaign to educate young people about how to eat well (and cheaply), just to make sure that we can survive past the next two decades.  I don&#039;t mind marketing our products, but the fact that we&#039;re having to downright evangelize the concept of eating actual, real food is just disturbing to me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#8217;t mind big business, in fact I have no ill will toward &#8220;big oil&#8221; or &#8220;big tobacco&#8221; or what have you.  At the end of the day they simply have to provide people what they want (or convince them they want it).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s what people seem to be wanting that bothers me.  I run a family bakery, and we work very, very hard to make products that are truly something special.  What spooks me lately is that only people over the age of 50 or so seem to really appreciate the stuff.  Most people younger than 40 seem to have been fed so much insane crap growing up that their taste buds are pretty much useless (they can detect very salty, very sweet, and not much else).</p>
<p>Our business is embarking on a campaign to educate young people about how to eat well (and cheaply), just to make sure that we can survive past the next two decades.  I don&#8217;t mind marketing our products, but the fact that we&#8217;re having to downright evangelize the concept of eating actual, real food is just disturbing to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/07/cheesecake-factory-the-alexander-challenge.html/comment-page-1#comment-31127</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes-the food there isn&#039;t incredibly creative or innovative, or even necessarily good.
Yes-it&#039;s full of ingredients that are either unhealthy or not environmentally friendly/sustainable or local.

But if I weren&#039;t a person already interested in food, reading most of the comments from this post wouldn&#039;t make me want to expand my gastronomic horizons, they would just piss me off.  The post itself isn&#039;t very snobbish, but it seems like a lot of the comments are.  There are obvious important issues associated with what and how we eat, but an education in these issues has to get beyond the us (the educated and healthy) vs. them, locally owned vs. big corporation argument.  These kind of arguments only appeal to a certain demographic and are therefore ineffective at reaching the people that we are criticizing.

The problem to me seems to be one of a general disinterest in the process by which things are made.  We&#039;ve become a results oriented culture, and apparently have little interest in the means by which the results are obtained.  People want a fast meal and don&#039;t appreciate the means by which it&#039;s made.  We want a diploma so we can get a good job but don&#039;t want to actually take part in the process of education.  It seems to be a part of a larger cultural phenomenon to me.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes-the food there isn&#8217;t incredibly creative or innovative, or even necessarily good.<br />
Yes-it&#8217;s full of ingredients that are either unhealthy or not environmentally friendly/sustainable or local.</p>
<p>But if I weren&#8217;t a person already interested in food, reading most of the comments from this post wouldn&#8217;t make me want to expand my gastronomic horizons, they would just piss me off.  The post itself isn&#8217;t very snobbish, but it seems like a lot of the comments are.  There are obvious important issues associated with what and how we eat, but an education in these issues has to get beyond the us (the educated and healthy) vs. them, locally owned vs. big corporation argument.  These kind of arguments only appeal to a certain demographic and are therefore ineffective at reaching the people that we are criticizing.</p>
<p>The problem to me seems to be one of a general disinterest in the process by which things are made.  We&#8217;ve become a results oriented culture, and apparently have little interest in the means by which the results are obtained.  People want a fast meal and don&#8217;t appreciate the means by which it&#8217;s made.  We want a diploma so we can get a good job but don&#8217;t want to actually take part in the process of education.  It seems to be a part of a larger cultural phenomenon to me.</p>
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